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Belt Regen To Small Rocks?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#21 - 2013-02-05 04:35:11 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
"Why are so many people. experienced or not, and corps. experienced or not, interested in clearing belts, knowing that the next day they will have small rocks to mine?"


Because the next day there are still plenty of other belts not mined out ? Mayhaps ? And the ones cleared will be just fine after 48 hours or so ?

Why do you even care ? Bored ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#22 - 2013-02-05 04:38:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:


Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.




Go ahead. Go right ahead and discount 10 years of data and experience from other players WHOM YOU ASKED.

Sheesh.


Thank you for your constructive input to this discussion.

My experience over the last few years has been that the rocks come back exactly the same ore and location when they respawn. Ruby Porto claims otherwise. So between two experienced players there is disagreement.

You entering this thread with your disagreeable attitude is not going to help anyone.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#23 - 2013-02-05 04:41:29 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
My next question was going to be, "Why are so many people. experienced or not, and corps. experienced or not, interested in clearing belts, knowing that the next day they will have small rocks to mine?"


If I mine the belt dry, first there's the immediate denial of resources to some other miner. Then there is the disincentive for them to come back tomorrow. Economic and morale victory! Though I am still mining. In hisec. So it is a Pyrrhic victory at best.

If you leave the rocks to get bigger, someone else will mine them out from under you. Harvesting gravel is better than harvesting nothing.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2013-02-05 04:49:47 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:


My experience over the last few years has been that the rocks come back exactly the same ore and location when they respawn.



Sort of in general........but documented Veldspar regenerating as something else says otherwise.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2013-02-05 04:51:20 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Ruby Porto claims otherwise.



Here is the key aspect of the thread's bad issues right here and writ large.

This is pretty much always the case with him unless you haven't noticed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2013-02-05 04:52:13 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:


You entering this thread with your disagreeable attitude is not going to help anyone.



....as if I were a troll ? Puh-lease, Louise.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#27 - 2013-02-05 05:00:41 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sort of in general........but documented Veldspar regenerating as something else says otherwise.


Documented where? Be helpful.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#28 - 2013-02-05 05:02:49 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sort of in general........but documented Veldspar regenerating as something else says otherwise.


Documented where? Be helpful.


What? Krixtal? Helpful? No...

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-02-05 06:25:08 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:


Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.



Go ahead. Go right ahead and discount 10 years of data and experience from other players WHOM YOU ASKED.

Sheesh.


You seem to be suggesting that there have been NO changes in belt re-spawning since the game was created?

You also seem to be suggesting that I accept what other people tell me instead of what I see?

You also seem to be suggesting that YOU would rather believe what someone has told you than do the research yourself?

I guess the only response I can think of is, "Good luck."
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-02-05 06:52:38 UTC
I live in a small, Hi Sec system, and I am not primarily a miner.

I usually mine 1 x Orca of Firey Kernite a day while waiting for other corpies to log on.

There is a mining corp in the system that seems to like to clear belts.

I'm wondering "Why". They should know that they are shooting themselves in the foot for at least two days worth of mining.

It really doesn't make any difference what they do, I still get my Orca filled whenever I feel like it. I'm not trying to deprive them of mining opportunities, and it doesn't appear that they are trying to deprive me, or anyone else, of mining opportunities.

So what is going on?
Yaboo Sux
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-02-05 12:32:33 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I mine a lot, and watch what I am doing.

It appears to me that, if I completely clear a belt, the next day it regens with all small rocks. 2 days later the rocks are back at full size.

Has anyone else seen this happen?



It`s a universal mechanic, you have started on the observation and data collection over time, you have noted it has a repeatable pattern so you continue to observe until the mechanic is revealed.

Most intelligent/educated miners knew it after 1 week of the new mechanic being introduced and have used it to their commercial advantage. It pays to have lots of uninformed miners out there (who are acting just like bots when all is said and done) as they waste cycles and self harm their potential returns which keeps prices for competent miners higher.

When you get an understanding, keep it to your self, it is so easy to work out that those who don´t, don´t really deserve to know.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2013-02-05 14:17:47 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:


You also seem to be suggesting that YOU would rather believe what someone has told you than do the research yourself?





My 'research' has consisted of mining and observing results for over 3 years now.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#33 - 2013-02-05 14:47:49 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:

Any competent belt miner has their belts bookmarked for optimal extraction: it is not worth harvesting Massive Scordite in Bawilan with strip miners since you will get less than a full cycle of T2 crystal + orca boosted yield. So you bookmark an optimal position in range of the rocks which respawn the greatest volume each cycle.


I have my belts bookmarked, but my Orca gives a 48 km wingspan. There are few occasions when I have to move in-belt. If that happens, the Orca is slaved to the primary miner. It actually seems to be faster than warping out, then in again. I realize that all miners don't have the advantages I do, but my real questions is about re-spawning.

There are a lot of variables in mining. I'm really having a lot of trouble controlling the ones that impact on the re-spawn of a particular type of ore in a particular belt.

I started another experiment today where I mined all of the Kernite out of one of my favorite belts.

When I got there it had 17 Firey Kernite, 2 Luminous Kernite and 1 Plain Kernite, but there was another miner there because I got up late. I'll mine it out again tomorrow. The number of units won't tell me much, but better than nothing.

There are some differences as to how belts work in high sec compared to low sec. In high sec they as others have stated respawn the same type and location. Each belt has a pre-defined layout the only variation is in size.

In high sec if a astreroid is not popped it will respawn the next day larger, if it is popped it will respawn at a random base size, usually very small. By mining a belt carefully, so you do not pop any rocks each down time the rocks will get bigger.

It has long been the practice of some miners to farm belts in this way. After several weeks they end up with these farmed belts having far larger rocks that an unfarmed belt. This is also the case in back water systems where there are no miners, the rocks are relatively untouched so are much bigger.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#34 - 2013-02-05 14:58:20 UTC
Rocks stay in the same locations in a belt and stay the same type. For example if you completely mine a Veldspar rock it will come back at that exact same location as a Veldspar rock . It won't respawn as a different type or sub-type of ore. Regarding recovery rates I haven't studied that aspect that much.
We used to set up lines of GSC's approximately 5km apart within range of the best rocks. About fifteen GSC per belt. That worked quite well until they started 'disappearing' well before the thirty day limit and even though they were anchored & passwords set. It seemed to be a CCP problem/bug but they wouldn't have it so we stopped using that method a long time ago. Good times though. Smile

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#35 - 2013-02-05 17:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Rocks stay in the same locations in a belt and stay the same type. For example if you completely mine a Veldspar rock it will come back at that exact same location as a Veldspar rock . It won't respawn as a different type or sub-type of ore. Regarding recovery rates I haven't studied that aspect that much.
We used to set up lines of GSC's approximately 5km apart within range of the best rocks. About fifteen GSC per belt. That worked quite well until they started 'disappearing' well before the thirty day limit and even though they were anchored & passwords set. It seemed to be a CCP problem/bug but they wouldn't have it so we stopped using that method a long time ago. Good times though. Smile

In high sec yes,
But results seem to be different in Null sec. Static grav sites are one thing, but null sec belts seem to function differently than high sec belts. Many null sec miners believe that popping rocks they may respawn as another type. This has been proven wrong in high sec, but I have not seen evidence either way for null sec. Aside from some null sec dwellers insisting that null sec belts are not static like high sec belts are.
Dave Stark
#36 - 2013-02-05 19:35:29 UTC
i've been systematically emptying the same belt in high sec every day directly after downtime for weeks.

here's what happens.
there seems to be a three day cycle, where every third day the asteroids will be "smaller" (contain less ore) the other 2 days they are "full".
asteroids always spawn in the same location as the same type.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-02-06 00:09:53 UTC
Ooops. I think I have proven my second theory to be false.

As I said, I cleared a belt of all Kernite yesterday. Today I didn't take anything but the Firey Kernite. Estimated value is the same as yesterday.

That suggests to me that the 3 day cycle doesn't start unless the whole belt is cleared.

Next I'm going to try scanning a particular rock, in a particular belt, to see if leaving it alone makes it larger.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#38 - 2013-02-06 00:19:53 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Next I'm going to try scanning a particular rock, in a particular belt, to see if leaving it alone makes it larger.


Yes, it will get larger, by the same amount of ore that would have spawned in that satge of the respawn cycle.

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-02-06 00:30:58 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Next I'm going to try scanning a particular rock, in a particular belt, to see if leaving it alone makes it larger.


Yes, it will get larger, by the same amount of ore that would have spawned in that satge of the respawn cycle.



That may be true, but I have the time to find out for myself. I feel better when I do that. Smile
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#40 - 2013-02-06 05:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Next I'm going to try scanning a particular rock, in a particular belt, to see if leaving it alone makes it larger.


Yes, it will get larger, by the same amount of ore that would have spawned in that satge of the respawn cycle.



That may be true, but I have the time to find out for myself. I feel better when I do that. Smile


I would once again like to suggest SISI so that your results are highly unlikely to be skewed by other player's activities. Also (if you're interested in that) you'd be able to figure out how it works in null.

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