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Battle of the Empires
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Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-04 03:20:02 UTC
So, simple discussion with intended over analyzing intended.

Who would win in a battle between the Galactic Empire (Star wars) and the Amarr Empire (Eve... duh)?

In this sense, comparable fleets would do battle... not the entire empires themselves. So a detachment of star destroyers and lesser escort ships against a group of battleships and lesser support ships. This isn't a fight between their largest ships and fleets. just comparable ones. And it is a battle to the death!

Some quick ground rules to stage the fight, since obvious problems would arise if you let all of cannon into play. So to put a few limitations and restrictions in place is required.

First rule, The fight takes place in one system. No ship can leave that system, nor enter. This is a fixed battle in one place. Although moving about the system is perfectly acceptable.

Second rule, No major characters. Things get complicated when you say 'well if Darth Vader was there' or other such stuff.

Third rule, Each ship plays by its own physics. Sci fi always takes some liberties with physics, its just the nature of the beast. So lets assume that on board each ship works by their own universe's physics.

Forth rule, They have no intel on each-other. They don't have any initial tactical knowledge about each-others abilities, weaknesses, etc.

So now that the rules are in place.... Who would win? Who would lose? Would it be a blow out or an great match? Explain your arguments one way or another. Lets have fun and get the nerd rage flowing!
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#2 - 2013-02-04 04:14:12 UTC
EVE ships can repair themselves while in battle which would be a pretty significant advantage.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#3 - 2013-02-04 05:24:12 UTC
I have a bad feeling about this...

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-02-04 05:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6639
I thought we talked about this

falcon
remote reps
smartbombs (oh hai. cute fighters u got thar)
neuts
PL
everyone and their momma showing up to prove the tactical superiority of a space MMO that is ten years deep

I'm sure we could bait intel-blind noobs into getting concordokken'd somehow
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2013-02-04 20:19:19 UTC
Only fair that we also get to use carriers!

See laz0rs, refit for max EM/therm, smartbomb fighters, win.

Or, you know, batphone PL. Blink
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-02-04 20:20:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6639
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
Only fair that we also get to use carriers!

See laz0rs, refit for max EM/therm, smartbomb fighters, win.

Or, you know, batphone PL. Blink


size-wise, battleships are even with star destroyers.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#7 - 2013-02-04 20:24:44 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
Only fair that we also get to use carriers!

See laz0rs, refit for max EM/therm, smartbomb fighters, win.

Or, you know, batphone PL. Blink


size-wise, battleships are even with star destroyers.


Star destroyers use fighters (and laz0rs!), which are for carriers only.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-02-04 20:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6639
yah but that's why I said smartbombs, and I think it's fair when we have drone boats

plus it would be what, 50 immortal ghosts-in-the-shells against thousands of crew? where's the risk
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#9 - 2013-02-04 21:02:18 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:

First rule, The fight takes place in one system. No ship can leave that system, nor enter. This is a fixed battle in one place. Although moving about the system is perfectly acceptable.


We risk running out of ships and losing to those silly people in costumes...
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2013-02-04 21:05:16 UTC
their fighters and our fighters are similar in name only. theirs would get instapopped by mediums, hacked down pretty quickly by lights. tiny frigs with straight-ahead, manual targeting. it's like a biplane with prop guns
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2013-02-04 21:05:44 UTC
Empire builds 1 super star destroyer and 1 Deathstar and deploys them willy-nilly against rebels. Neut PL alt lights cyno and drops 45 Avatars who proceed to 1 volley the super star destroyer and doomsday the deathstar. The killmails are repeatedly linked in local for an hour. Empire takes to the forums to cry about force projection and blob warfare.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#12 - 2013-02-04 21:13:52 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
their fighters and our fighters are similar in name only. theirs would get instapopped by mediums, hacked down pretty quickly by lights. tiny frigs with straight-ahead, manual targeting. it's like a biplane with prop guns

Yeah, but TIE fighters are controlled by that little twiddly volume control knob thing. How are we going to battle that? Besides, the Empire has The Force, Dark Side of. Amarr have no Force in them whatsoever.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-02-04 21:15:13 UTC
you can't force choke drones, so that's good.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-04 21:16:13 UTC
Armament of an Imperial class Star Destroyer:

Octuple barbette turbolaser or Ion cannons (8)
Heavy turbolaser batteries (50)
Turbolaser batteries (50)
Additional turbolaser batteries (26+)
Heavy ion cannons (20)
Phylon Q7 tractor beam projectors (10)

source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_II-class_Star_Destroyer

So that's at least 146 laser guns on a single Star Destroyer plus 72 TIE fighters, while Amarrian subcap ships have a maximum of 16 laser guns and a maximum of 5 active drones at any given time.

Yes, I know, I am a terrible nerd...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-02-04 21:17:57 UTC
yah but their gunners suck and their lasers are slow
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#16 - 2013-02-04 21:20:32 UTC
The Empire doesn't have logis and they dont call primaries .... noobs.

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2013-02-04 21:24:20 UTC
it's safe to say we have better intel. I still don't know what half our ships do
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-02-05 06:38:30 UTC
i should note that the smart bombs aren't typical armaments for Amarr empire ships, and since neither side knows anything about what they are up against, not fair to say the Amarr empire would be packing alot.

Alot of the star destroyers weapons are very short range low power weapons designed to destroy small craft. So any drones employed by the Amarr would likely be insta-gibbed... which would crush a gallente fleet, but the Amarr fleet doesn't use drones as their primary weapon systems.

In terms of damage, the hordes of tie fighters should not be underestimated. While true their power is more on par with light drones... a few hundred of them is pretty scary. The Amarr ships are not equiped with many small turrets light the star wars ships have to counter that threat. So the Amarr fleet will take alot of damage to be sure. Also Tie fighters dont become still just because their original ship was destroyed.... they'll keep fighting!

On the other hand, the Amarr battleships have some pretty impressively large guns. Typical Star was ships don't have nearly as powerful of main guns and defenses are not apt to repel such a deadly threat.

At the end of the day, ships will sink fast! I wana say the Amarr empire would take the field at the end of the day, but not without heavy losses.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2013-02-05 06:49:06 UTC
no! I've watched the movies, therefore I have the intel.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-02-05 12:56:23 UTC
It would be an even fight if not for the poor gunnery skills of the stormtroopers
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