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New trend amongst the miners? ORCA shield boost
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Dsparil Primus
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-01 01:28:59 UTC
I've noticed lately that various ships(retrievers, covetors, etc) are suddenly almost impervious to the garden variety gankalyst. Is there a new growing trend with miners to use hidden orca shield boosts?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2 - 2013-02-01 01:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
I would say that they're possibly running on or off-grid Orca boosters with siege warfare links, such as the shield harmoniser link, there's also the shield efficiency and active shield links which will help any miners who are using shield boosters. An Orca can run 3 links simultaneously which would provide quite the significant boost, and as a booster they don't go suspect unless they do something really stupid, like RR a hulk during a gank.

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Solyaris Chtonium
#3 - 2013-02-01 01:54:30 UTC
I -nearly- always use a siege warfare link when my orca-alt is in a mining gang... not that my alt is often in a mining gang...
Rita May
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-01 02:13:40 UTC
why would you NOT put a siege link on your orca?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-02-01 02:18:10 UTC
Hope they don't make an anti bumping link Shocked

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-01 02:42:55 UTC
Dsparil Primus wrote:
I've noticed lately that various ships(retrievers, covetors, etc) are suddenly almost impervious to the garden variety gankalyst. Is there a new growing trend with miners to use hidden orca shield boosts?


Some miners are adapting, although some miners have always done this regardless.

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Victory Vinco
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-02-01 02:45:35 UTC
You're obviously not bringing enough gankalysts.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#8 - 2013-02-01 02:56:23 UTC
Dsparil Primus wrote:
I've noticed lately that various ships(retrievers, covetors, etc) are suddenly almost impervious to the garden variety gankalyst. Is there a new growing trend with miners to use hidden orca shield boosts?


Five Hulkageddons and an indefinitely extended Goonswarm bounty have apparently achieved their goals of educating miners to protect their production capital.

Endless discussion of "solo PvP" tactics has had the effect of educating miners about the power of warfare links.

The miners are adapting.

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Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-01 06:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I would say that they're possibly running on or off-grid Orca boosters with siege warfare links, such as the shield harmoniser link, there's also the shield efficiency and active shield links which will help any miners who are using shield boosters. An Orca can run 3 links simultaneously which would provide quite the significant boost, and as a booster they don't go suspect unless they do something really stupid, like RR a hulk during a gank.


Criminal actions against a target no longer produces a Limited Engagement flag. As such, anyone providing remote assistance to the target of a criminal action will no longer acquire a Suspect flag. (Remote repair on the victim of a gank no longer causes the remote repper to go suspect or have its remote repair modules shut off.) This was stealth-fixed, and no mention was made of it in patch notes.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-02-01 07:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I would say that they're possibly running on or off-grid Orca boosters with siege warfare links, such as the shield harmoniser link, there's also the shield efficiency and active shield links which will help any miners who are using shield boosters. An Orca can run 3 links simultaneously which would provide quite the significant boost, and as a booster they don't go suspect unless they do something really stupid, like RR a hulk during a gank.


Criminal actions against a target no longer produces a Limited Engagement flag. As such, anyone providing remote assistance to the target of a criminal action will no longer acquire a Suspect flag. (Remote repair on the victim of a gank no longer causes the remote repper to go suspect or have its remote repair modules shut off.) This was stealth-fixed, and no mention was made of it in patch notes.


It has always been the case...

if your remote RR somebody and somebody else engages him his reppers will shut down, this was in place even before Crimewatch. He has to go suspect to RR somebody under attack. But he has to change his safety button to yellow to do so.

Or did I misunderstand what your talking about?

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Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-01 07:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Cannibal Kane wrote:

It has always been the case...

if your remote RR somebody and somebody else engages him his reppers will shut down, this was in place even before Crimewatch. He has to go suspect to RR somebody under attack. But he has to change his safety button to yellow to do so.

Or did I misunderstand what your talking about?

I think you may have misunderstood me. I'll use a concrete example: a Catalyst attempts to suicide gank a Hulk, while the Hulk is receiving remote repair from an Orca.

In the past, when Crimewatch was first implemented, the situation would have been:

1. The attempted suicide gank is a Criminal Action. In the past, this criminal action would give the Hulk a Limited Engagement flag against the Catalyst.
2. Because of the Hulk's Limited Engagement flag, the Orca must either incur a Suspect flag, or have his remote repair modules shut off automatically.

CCP later changed the mechanics, so that the situation is now:

1. The attempted suicide gank is a Criminal Action. Now, this criminal action no longer gives the Hulk a Limited Engagement flag.
2. Since the Hulk has no Limited Engagement flag, the Orca may freely provide remote repairs without incurring a Suspect flag. His remote repair will be effective, even with a Green Safety.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-02-01 10:42:58 UTC
Dsparil Primus wrote:
I've noticed lately that various ships(retrievers, covetors, etc) are suddenly almost impervious to the garden variety gankalyst. Is there a new growing trend with miners to use hidden orca shield boosts?


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Whitehound
#13 - 2013-02-01 18:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Orcas in belts and ice fields with a shield gang link are as old as Hulkageddon. In ice fields does one only need to ask in local for fleet bonuses and one often gets not only a boost to mining but to shield resists, too. Skiffs can then have up to 124k eHP and more. With a signature of ~230m do these become as hard to gank as a freighter.

Orcas then do not need to hide off grid, but can have up to 250k eHP and can sit just next to the miners.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2013-02-01 18:51:21 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I would say that they're possibly running on or off-grid Orca boosters with siege warfare links, such as the shield harmoniser link, there's also the shield efficiency and active shield links which will help any miners who are using shield boosters. An Orca can run 3 links simultaneously which would provide quite the significant boost, and as a booster they don't go suspect unless they do something really stupid, like RR a hulk during a gank.


Criminal actions against a target no longer produces a Limited Engagement flag. As such, anyone providing remote assistance to the target of a criminal action will no longer acquire a Suspect flag. (Remote repair on the victim of a gank no longer causes the remote repper to go suspect or have its remote repair modules shut off.) This was stealth-fixed, and no mention was made of it in patch notes.


Stealth changes.. meh. I remember that one Orca going suspect for RRing a hulk during a gank, it didn't last long once it was flagged. That was just after the retribution patch day though.

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Vincent Athena
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#15 - 2013-02-01 19:53:21 UTC
Rita May wrote:
why would you NOT put a siege link on your orca?

Exactly. My Orca runs 3 links, shield harmonizing and 2 mining links (range and cycle time). On top of that the pilot has the T2 mindlinks to help as well. And as I use Hulks, the orca not hiding off grid, but is in range of the miners for ore transfer.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#16 - 2013-02-02 11:18:06 UTC
Rita May wrote:
why would you NOT put a siege link on your orca?


Because you already have the OGB T3s doing siege, skirmish and armor boosts for you? :)

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Kathtrine
My Dot Corp
#17 - 2013-02-03 00:31:54 UTC
Its simple. When I mine (rarely now I prefer mission running) I run LOGI or Gang Links. I also will offer them to other Miners.

Miners are starting to realize that working in groups is a good thing. Its slow in coming as miners are a stubborn bunch but they are learning to Tank fit and even trade fits now.

I have been teaching them also.

Infact any miners that wants it I will give my Fits.

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1. Tank fit your ships.
2. Run in groups.
3. Use t2 drones.
4. Learn what LOGI is.
5. Learn up those Shield Tanking skills then declare your Elite tanking skills in your BIO.
6. Put Fuzzy bunnies in your BIO

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#18 - 2013-02-04 03:26:18 UTC
Siege Warfare Link II on the Orca is more or less standard.

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Rita May
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-02-04 12:46:33 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Rita May wrote:
why would you NOT put a siege link on your orca?


Because you already have the OGB T3s doing siege, skirmish and armor boosts for you? :)

that would be the one reason not to fit one, yes
as for ore mining, i personally only find 2 mining links usefull, so what to do with the third slot - a siege link.
with ice mining the problem gets worse as i don't see any need for the range bonus link, so a tractor or salvage module after the siege link is possible, or a active shieldboosting siege link for those rare "small pith-type" tanking Hulks out there Roll

btw, can confirm the EHP numbers posted above, orca with about 250k and skiff at about 125k EHP

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Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#20 - 2013-02-04 13:26:51 UTC
Well looks like there will be a buisiness for me to rent out my seige links to miners.

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