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Bald Solo Amarr person enquires about Legion
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Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#1 - 2013-02-02 12:34:47 UTC
Q1 - Non Ammar pilots please insert your lol remarks about a legion here then leave the thread Lol

Q2 - Lo sec Sigs in my pilgrim a piece of cake, but first 0.0 Mag (via a WH ) sent me home in a pod.
With full skills, will a Legion handle 0.0 radars and mags solo? (im half way there with the sub-skills)

Q3 - if yes, can a kindly fellow Amarr lover suggest a 0.0 solo exploration Legion fit they have used.

Q4 - If no, whats the best racial alterntiave - currently im skilled as a cloaky drone & neut pilot.

Thanks.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2013-02-02 19:44:14 UTC
Q1) lol
Q2) I can't speak to null sec sigs, but it handles WH sigs up to C3 really well.
Q3) Sorry.
Q4) I've physically watched someone do Serp 10/10s in an Ishtar (Siigari Kitawa). This may not work anymore with the AI changes.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2013-02-02 20:52:53 UTC
Q1,2,3. I think Legion has specific regions and rats that it will be resisted against naturally. Also, the fit should be rat specific.

Q4. For what I have done, my experience was that Tengu was best and Proteus was second best. I could solo any and all Serp 10/10 in my Tengu at one time. Proteus could do most, but not all, and it was just harder... I did like the Proteus drone bay, and ecm drones saved me (let me take more risk) many times.

For most sites, rat specific fits/High resists are what matters.

Also lo-sec and 0.0 are two different animals. You can fit your subs for DPS much better in lo-sec only.
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#4 - 2013-02-03 08:12:14 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Q1,2,3. I think Legion has specific regions and rats that it will be resisted against naturally. Also, the fit should be rat specific.

Q4. For what I have done, my experience was that Tengu was best and Proteus was second best. I could solo any and all Serp 10/10 in my Tengu at one time. Proteus could do most, but not all, and it was just harder... I did like the Proteus drone bay, and ecm drones saved me (let me take more risk) many times.

For most sites, rat specific fits/High resists are what matters.

Also lo-sec and 0.0 are two different animals. You can fit your subs for DPS much better in lo-sec only.


Thanks for your reply. The Tengu is a lot of training time - what stops me wanting to train it is that by the time I get to use it CCP will nerf the ships - seriously don't want RL time wasted on this! But I will look. Thanks once again for the facts that you've given me.
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#5 - 2013-02-03 11:24:24 UTC
Don't be afraid! Legion is decent for exploration. Behold, Legion exploration in Null (radar site only)

[Legion, Legion [Gotta be Kidding Me!]]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Codebreaker I

Shadow Serpentis Medium Plasma Smartbomb
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Hammerhead II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Very tanky with 82k EHP (uniform resist) and dps of around 350 (drone only). Can swap the electronic subsystem with Energy Parasitic Complex and drop the code breaker to become Pilgrim's poor cousin. Or change the prop subsystem with Nullifier and drop one of the EANM.

I also use Legion for exploration - lowsec only though..
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#6 - 2013-02-03 11:34:28 UTC
Just to add, I agree with other posters.. Proteus or any other T3s can do much better job than Legion.. sigh..

What you have up there is an expensive version of a Pilgrim (which I believe you fly) but much tankier so you can survive the rats in null.

Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#7 - 2013-02-03 12:59:34 UTC
Ciba Lexlulu wrote:
Just to add, I agree with other posters.. Proteus or any other T3s can do much better job than Legion.. sigh..

What you have up there is an expensive version of a Pilgrim (which I believe you fly) but much tankier so you can survive the rats in null.



Loki is bar far the worse PVE tech 3 cruiser. It is nothing short of awful. Then again most minmatar ships are awful at PVE - the Maelstrom/Sleipnir are 2 that actually shine and don't struggle.
Stampertje'n
V I R I I
#8 - 2013-02-04 09:12:12 UTC
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflagration M)

10MN Afterburner II
2x Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script)

Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
2x Heat Sink II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#9 - 2013-02-04 23:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Dad
Stampertje'n wrote:
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflagration M)

10MN Afterburner II
2x Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script)

Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
2x Heat Sink II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker



Thanks for this specific information - HAM seemed to pop up in all the fits but this makes sense to me.

Thanks to earlier replies also - don't just want a very expensive Pilgrim on my loss mail.
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#10 - 2013-02-04 23:37:22 UTC
Stampertje'n wrote:
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflagration M)

10MN Afterburner II
2x Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script)

Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
2x Heat Sink II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker


One more Question - Shocked
Having been bubbled both times ive wandered in 0.0 the interdiction nullifier interests me greatly - would it hurt this fit significantly to fit it?
Kieron Krodmandouin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-02-05 04:46:43 UTC
Doubt I would fit an interdiction nullifier without a covert ops cloak too. You can't really reduce your signature the way you can with a Loki, and your agility will be bad if you have a plate attached. Odds are that they will have you targeted and pointed before you can warp out, making the bubble immunity moot, at least if it is on the gate itself.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#12 - 2013-02-05 05:29:14 UTC
Zen Dad wrote:
Stampertje'n wrote:
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflagration M)

10MN Afterburner II
2x Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script)

Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
2x Heat Sink II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker


One more Question - Shocked
Having been bubbled both times ive wandered in 0.0 the interdiction nullifier interests me greatly - would it hurt this fit significantly to fit it?


IIRC it will cost you a lowslot, so either you take a hit on your already low DPS (Consider a navy heat sink?) or losing some tank. If you must, I'd probably lose a heat sink until you get comfortable. I don't know how much good the nullifier does you without a cloak though, as you ARE still an armor ship, your align will be slow enough for a ceptor to snag you.
Stampertje'n
V I R I I
#13 - 2013-02-05 07:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Stampertje'n
Zen Dad wrote:
Stampertje'n wrote:
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker



Thanks for this specific information - HAM seemed to pop up in all the fits but this makes sense to me.

Thanks to earlier replies also - don't just want a very expensive Pilgrim on my loss mail.


Jup HAM fit is also possible. It gives you a bit more damage with all skills maxed. but resistants and tank is lower. It does give the ability to choose what kind of damage type you deal.


Zen Dad wrote:
Stampertje'n wrote:
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker


One more Question - Shocked
Having been bubbled both times ive wandered in 0.0 the interdiction nullifier interests me greatly - would it hurt this fit significantly to fit it?


I mostly do sites in a 0sec pocket that is "safe". (because or alliance controls it). But if i need to go out the pocket i just use a travel fit with nullifier,cloak and probes on. i wouldn't try to edit this fitting 'cause it will only screw it up.
Just make a fitting pure for travel. and get you're other fitting + subsystems in cargo. Go to the system you want, scan sites down. docked up refit and go pew pew
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#14 - 2013-02-05 07:29:35 UTC
Damm. Ive forgotten about my cloak ! I live with my cloak as a solo. Its my only friend.

Looks like by the time I add a cloak and nullifier Im really flying a very expensive pilgrim again.

Thanks for pointing out what i should have seen
Stampertje'n
V I R I I
#15 - 2013-02-05 07:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Stampertje'n
Dibblerette wrote:

IIRC it will cost you a lowslot, so either you take a hit on your already low DPS (Consider a navy heat sink?) or losing some tank. If you must, I'd probably lose a heat sink until you get comfortable. I don't know how much good the nullifier does you without a cloak though, as you ARE still an armor ship, your align will be slow enough for a ceptor to snag you.


I never put faction or deadspace stuff in my suggested fittings on the forum. You never know how rich the topicstarter is. Its a basic from what they can start. everybody knows that switching a T2 for a DS item only makes a fitting that bit better. It's your personal choice if you find that bit more worth the extra isk.

And low DPS? 621 is not so bad if you keep in mind that this fitting also has a decent tank. But if you wanna go for the high numbers. Drop the DC and throw in 3x navy HS and you get a nice 751 DPS


And this one is for the people who always only say: "get a proteus or tengu"

Yeah Amarr people already know it by now. But some of us like to be a pure Amarr character (Like me) And don't wanna see spaceship skills or gunnery skills of another race on or eveboard just so that we could fly that 1 ship
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#16 - 2013-02-05 07:41:09 UTC
Stampertje'n wrote:
Zen Dad wrote:
Stampertje'n wrote:
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker



Thanks for this specific information - HAM seemed to pop up in all the fits but this makes sense to me.

Thanks to earlier replies also - don't just want a very expensive Pilgrim on my loss mail.


Jup HAM fit is also possible. It gives you a bit more damage with all skills maxed. but resistants and tank is lower. It does give the ability to choose what kind of damage type you deal.


Zen Dad wrote:
Stampertje'n wrote:
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker


One more Question - Shocked
Having been bubbled both times ive wandered in 0.0 the interdiction nullifier interests me greatly - would it hurt this fit significantly to fit it?



I mostly do sites in a 0sec pocket that is "safe". (because or alliance controls it). But if i need to go out the pocket i just use a travel fit with nullifier,cloak and probes on. i wouldn't try to edit this fitting 'cause it will only screw it up.
Just make a fitting pure for travel. and get you're other fitting + subsystems in cargo. Go to the system you want, scan sites down. docked up refit and go pew pew


Thats exactly my M O in lo sec. For null Ive been using WHs to Ninja random 0..0 but to travel fit will require me to live in some nice NPC 0.0 and get to know local and the stations I guess its time to get serious about 0.0

Not wanting to tread on your toes but any tips for noob NPC null for operating the legion as you do ?
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#17 - 2013-02-05 10:18:46 UTC
The Legion is good, it just doesnt offer any useful EWAR in most situations (Like the Proteus (LR Point/Scram) or Loki (LR Web).

Heres a few fits that are very viable in Small -Medium and Larger gangs respectively.

[Legion, HAMNEUT]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centus C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

[Legion, SUPERZEALOT]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centus C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#18 - 2013-02-06 11:15:52 UTC
Thanks for these fits Danny
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#19 - 2013-02-06 11:37:36 UTC
do not underestimate the power of the HAM legion :-P
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#20 - 2013-02-06 14:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sexy Cakes
Stampertje'n wrote:
This is my basic fitting i use daily in serpentis space

[Legion, Citadel]
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflagration M)

10MN Afterburner II
2x Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script)

Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
2x Heat Sink II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I

It has pretty good resistance 58/86/83/82
40k EHP and 430 DPS tank
39% cap stable and puts out 621 DPS

I use this for rad/mag and ded sites up to 8/10. just drop the TC or a CR for an analyzer or codebreaker


+1

Throw an a-type repper, T2 rigs and 3 faction heatsinks instead of the damage control and you have yourself a pro fit.

Not today spaghetti.
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