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After Action Report: Mito, YC115.01.29, circa 20:00 hours
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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#121 - 2013-02-04 07:13:47 UTC
Grideris wrote:
I guess this is the moment where you wish the Caldari Navy would release the reasoning behind the action taken against Intara Direct Action.


I suppose they figure they have no reason to. As long as so many within the State refuse to hold their leaders accountable, why hold themselves accountable?
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#122 - 2013-02-04 09:31:00 UTC
Formal complaint... but isn't this the situation where the State known better.

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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#123 - 2013-02-04 10:38:25 UTC
I never thought I'd see a lawsuit brought against a Capsuleer, even if it is somewhat indirect. It shows a surprising boldness and defiance against a group that has been known to react with lethal harshness to anyone who attempts of control them.

...Which is a good thing, I suppose, generally speaking.

Though perhaps not in this case. It sounded as though everyone worked to their best possible judgement. At least, from the accounts I heard.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-02-04 11:50:23 UTC
It certainly sets an interesting stage. Freelance capsuleers typically fall under CONCORD's jurisdiction first and foremost. In fact the State tends to treat us as somebody else's problem and our citizenship is.... it occupies a legal grey area, let's say. We're not quite corporations and we're not quite citizens of corporations.

If nothing else, I'll be interested to see what the CBT's decision is and how that ruling gets written into precedent.

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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#125 - 2013-02-04 12:19:21 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
It certainly sets an interesting stage. Freelance capsuleers typically fall under CONCORD's jurisdiction first and foremost. In fact the State tends to treat us as somebody else's problem and our citizenship is.... it occupies a legal grey area, let's say. We're not quite corporations and we're not quite citizens of corporations.

If nothing else, I'll be interested to see what the CBT's decision is and how that ruling gets written into precedent.


Hmm. If nothing else, it'll at least give a good impression of how much they value their Capsuleer loyalists compared to the State overall, considering most (all?) of the Pilots in question are involved in the militia. Or perhaps how important they consider the war in general, though that might be kind of streching it a bit.

...Still, reading it again, it appears more an attack against Heth then the actual Capsuleers in question, who seem to be more or less the blunt instruments with which to whack him over the head with. Regardless as to if the strike lands true or not, the whole affair is probably going to give Kaalakiota, and by extension, the CPD a considerable headache.
Sami Okuuda
Doomheim
#126 - 2013-02-04 14:41:16 UTC
As this has now needlessly become a legal matter, the Caldari Navy shall refrain from further public commentary on this matter.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#127 - 2013-02-04 15:04:20 UTC
Will this Tribunal be broadcast to the wider cluster?

Can we get a few tickets to the proceedings perhaps if not?!


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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2013-02-04 15:53:23 UTC
Ah, the webs of power, how nice it is to see them in action without all the usual subtlety. It was about time capsuleers were held accountable for their actions (not only in Caldari space, but everywhere this should be the case) and have to justify their unneeded atrocities. Not saying that, in this particular case, the pilots involved are guilty of anything, as I know no details about it beyond what appears here, just saying that it's good to see the power of the State (in this case) trying to put capsuleers were we all should belong, and outside that grey area as captain Stitcher pointed out.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#129 - 2013-02-04 19:27:07 UTC
I do not really see what could incur to capsuleers in the current legal state, so it might be more of a symbol.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#130 - 2013-02-04 19:38:05 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
I do not really see what could incur to capsuleers in the current legal state, so it might be more of a symbol.


Perhaps the State could withdraw from the Yulai Accords, CONCORD, and DED?

This would remove them from the aegis of foreign meddling and let them deal with State capsuleers as they see fit.



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Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#131 - 2013-02-04 22:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakura Nihil
Remind me to hire some legal counsel next time a blowhard appears on the Summit. Nothing gets people to clam up faster than a lawsuit, it seems.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#132 - 2013-02-04 23:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
I do not really see what could incur to capsuleers in the current legal state, so it might be more of a symbol.


Perhaps the State could withdraw from the Yulai Accords, CONCORD, and DED?

This would remove them from the aegis of foreign meddling and let them deal with State capsuleers as they see fit.





That sounds a little extreme and will lead to full war. It seems unlikely for it to happen.

Continuing in speculation maybe the judicial arm of the State has a leverage on the position capsuleers have in the militia.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#133 - 2013-02-04 23:36:21 UTC
The leverage is heiian.

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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#134 - 2013-02-05 00:35:00 UTC
Though I can see your line of thinking, I'm not sure the Yulai accords are something one can just pull away from. CONCORD seems to consider itself more or less above the various governments in the modern day, and made a statement earlier in this affair that they intend to enforce their mandate upon the State if it escalates. I doubt they only referred to military-specific escalation when they said as much.

Besides, the State is the center of the Capsuleer economy. There's a lot to lose on that front if they decide to do anything rash, even more so then the other major powers.
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#135 - 2013-02-05 05:59:00 UTC
Sami Okuuda wrote:
As this has now needlessly become a legal matter, the Caldari Navy shall refrain from further public commentary on this matter.

Stars, I hope shooting people constitutes a legal matter at the least.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#136 - 2013-02-05 19:30:09 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
The leverage is heiian.


Even Heiian is subject to interpretations.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#137 - 2013-02-06 08:39:40 UTC
So its been 52 hours and still nothing. Either charge us with something realistic or drop the charges all together. I'm seriously considering filling a harassment lawsuit against the Intara family, or better yet charge them with treason.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#138 - 2013-02-06 08:48:30 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
Ah, the webs of power, how nice it is to see them in action without all the usual subtlety. It was about time capsuleers were held accountable for their actions (not only in Caldari space, but everywhere this should be the case) and have to justify their unneeded atrocities. Not saying that, in this particular case, the pilots involved are guilty of anything, as I know no details about it beyond what appears here, just saying that it's good to see the power of the State (in this case) trying to put capsuleers were we all should belong, and outside that grey area as captain Stitcher pointed out.


And what of capsuleers who do not live under the banner of a particular hisec empire? Those who have rejected their citizenships in favor of being free-captains or citizens of sovereign nations made by their own hands? It would turn into a mess very quickly, I would imagine, if any entity but CONCORD handled legal issues pertaining to capsuleers. The only reason it seems to be working out for the State entities in this case is because the capsuleers mentioned have retained their citizenship.

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#139 - 2013-02-06 09:27:50 UTC
This whole thing has gotten silly. Very, very silly. I am quite certain that if someone tried to serve me with a summons, I would shoot them.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#140 - 2013-02-06 18:44:24 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:
So its been 52 hours and still nothing. Either charge us with something realistic or drop the charges all together. I'm seriously considering filling a harassment lawsuit against the Intara family, or better yet charge them with treason.


Well, CBT says that the case is dismissed

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