Science & Industry

Hello, industry folk of Tranquility. I have brought up this topic about a dozen times in the past few years and here I am again to petition for your help to get the CSM & or CCP to acknowledge the issue and give an opinion on it. There are many many issues with industry to fix security issues, make it user user friendly, provide more features etc.. I would like to focus on one issue today, the "Cancel Job" button.

I have been doing industry on a large corporate scale for more than 6 years, and the "Cancel Job" button has only been used a few times when I put in a job at a POS for 1 copy run vs 20 I wanted. For any corporation that has more than a few people doing production there is a risk anyone of them can get drunk or angry one night and cancel all the jobs. This provides a loss of all materials used for all jobs canceled. I see this as an unnecessary risk as they are already trusted with the materials in the hanger to put in the job.

Now the only way to allow someone to build from locked down corp bpo is to give them the factory manager role which provides unrestricted access to everyone's corporate build slots.

Would anyone like to help get CCP to change this to any of the following?

1) Remove the button, its rarely used anyway
2) Remove the button for everyone but directors
3) Split the Factory Manager role so users need separate rights to put in jobs and to cancel jobs - Ideal Solution to me
4) Have it so that only the person who started the job (and directors/CEO/new role) can cancel jobs - Thanks Elena. Adds more risk than I would like but a good addition to the list.
5) Community Suggestion???

Thank you for your time/support today. If you have nothing constructive to add to this post please do not post.
No this has never happened to me because we tightly control who can build using corp jobs which should not be necessary.

5) Move the button to a less easily accessible place to avoid drunken mistakes. As far as angry people, well, that's EVE. An Angry person was able to disband the biggest Alliance in the game easier than cancelling all of your industry jobs.

I've used it a number of times when the choice is "cancel the job" or "leave the BPO behind and hope you can get an alt to return for it someday (and hope the station owner doesn't cancel the job)."

I posted in the POS threadnaught that director only should be able to cancel someone elses job.
director only should be able to offline/unanchor too.

That is, until they switch to personal modular POS.

TL DR

CCP, Science and Industry interface suck harder than the vacum of space.

Please fix.

You mean all of it.

The current risk of allowing people to build from a corp BPO is that they cancel your jobs. Since any decent corp allowing members access to BPOs has them locked down, that's the only risk.

You want to let people use your resources? That's fine. But just like one angry guy could disband BOB (turning off all of their Sov), and one forgetful person can forget to pay sov bills (losing all of GSF's sov overnight), allowing people access to your resources comes at some risk, and you have to decide to trust the people you're inviting or accept that risk.

On the other hand, it does seem silly that it's a corp-wide all or nothing thing. I think a decent compromise between reducing silliness and entirely obviating the risks that should accompany the benefits of working together, would be to have a hangar based factory manager role (i.e. you can cancel any jobs started out of your assigned hangar).

Hate to say it, but Science and industry window interface need tons of developer love. Bad news is thats since none of current developer does any industry stuff, its not likely to be fixed any time soon.

Maybe we get lucky and it will be fixed once they get around to fix corporate role system at some point. Needsserious developer love too.

I completely agree with this, and have called for it several times before over the years. Pretty much any of the suggested solutions is fine. Just any way to segregate the current ability to untraceably cancel jobs between more junior members using shared corp blueprints, and larger corporate programs i.e. capital ships.

RubyPorto's suggestion of making it hangar-based is a good one to add to the list, that'd work just fine, the hangar system is there to manage levels of trust and already works for restricting who can start jobs and use materials.

I also agree with the other doom-saying posters who point out that nothing's been improved in this area for years, so I don't have any hopes of it ever being fixed.

Given there's apparently no dev resource assigned to any of this then the "only job starter or director may cancel corp job" option seems the least complicated to implement.

Bump for all us forgotten industry folk

FYP
Yes I'm cynical, but I've been playing since 2006 and majority of that time I've been industry so have seen the lack of real interest from CCP. Sure they've given us PI, invention, and some other odds and sods over the years but don't seem willing to invest serious time into the whole industry infrastructure.

I'm not expecting a whole expansion for industry, afterall we're only a minority in the grand scale of things, but when the minority build the ships that the majority play with then surely we deserve some attention and not just be labelled whiny carebears and cast aside like an old holey jumper.

The last I read was the pos revamp was undecided, and there are rumours surrounding the future of industry in high-sec being limited to T1 stuff only, T2 stuff being the 'privilege' of nullsec.

Overall a lack of communication on CCP's behalf to indicate what their plans are, but that could go the way of walking in stations, put on the very back burner.

I have one there as well, its titled "CCP Hates Industry People!"