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Players in NPC Corps should not be able to:

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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#1 - 2013-02-04 00:43:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
It has become more obvious over the course of this thread that perhaps I went about it in the wrong way. Or I simply Choseā„¢ poorly.

I think the general idea I was going for is: I believe that a player in a NPC corporation should not be able to impact a Player Run Corporation on a personal level. Giving the ability to bounty a PRC (impact on a personal level) is way too powerful. Some players in PRCs form them to be an extension of their in-game persona. It could also be part of a roleplay experience for the players of that corporation. To allow a person who has chosen to not take place in the experience of personalization of gameplay through the extension allowed by the PRC should not be able to impact those things in another player or corporation or alliance.


This has been changed after several pages of discussion. Some of the original ideas were poorly thought out and I have amended the post to reflect this. Read it all.

So the new list is:

1. Place bounties on corps
2. Anchor cans or secure cans in space.
3. Forthcoming

I would also suggest that a corporation level bounty should not be in the hands of any member of a corporation. I believe that power should rest in the hands of the CEO and/or directors through the voting system. And similar restraints on alliance level bounties. Placing a bounty is in some way (at least from a roleplaying point of view) a declaration of war, or saying "we want your head on a stick/platter". If a NPC corporation member is not allowed to declare war on a PRC, then why are they allowed to put a price on their head? No, the head of an entire corporation/alliance?

Declaring war on a corporation or alliance is you saying "I would like to kill you."
Placing a bounty on a corporation or alliance is you saying "I would like other people to kill you."

Two very powerful statements. And one of them rests in the hands of every single bottom level employee of a MAJOR corporation such as Center for Advanced Studies? I think this is a bit too much.

Real Life Example (yeah I know, this isn't Real Life, but read it anyways): many corporations have a strict policy regarding Public Actions While Representing The Corporation. For example: "getting intoxicated in public while wearing a corporation uniform or logo".

But in EVE, these huge mega-corporations are saying it is okay for anyone in the corporation, even a low level employee, to make a declaration of hostility towards an entire corporation or alliance while representing their corporation?

Thank you.

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There are many aspects of this game that are ruined by actions of players in NPC corporations. The bounty thing is one of the major ones. Hopefully, someone out there will agree that the leash needs to be tightened on most of the people that use the NPC Corporation to hide when performing harmful actions towards another player or corporation.

I do not wish to force people to 'play my way' or anything like that. I feel that NPC corporations offer a place for newer players to cut their teeth in this game. But, it also allows older players (alts) to abuse the system and hide behind an anonymous flag, so to speak.

This thread was opened to discuss this thought process. And to meet other like-minded pod pilots.

Discuss.

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I have also underlined what I feel is an important part of the idea. If you don't read the whole post, please refrain from giving your opinion.

Thank you.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#2 - 2013-02-04 00:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
Reserved (again)!
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#3 - 2013-02-04 00:44:44 UTC
Reserved.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#4 - 2013-02-04 00:46:46 UTC
Wahh? Shocked

Why is it, people insist on thinking they are the only ones with an opinion?
You need to play more, and worry less about what other players are doing....


Signature removed - CCP Eterne

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#5 - 2013-02-04 00:46:55 UTC
Reserved.
Vallista
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-04 00:48:52 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:

3. Exist outside of systems less then 0.9 (Maybe 0.8)

Discuss.


So, you are saying that they should never be able to leave their starting system until they join a player corp? When I leave my player corp, I should be stuck in that system until I join another corp?

Did you think this through?

Allow me to respectfully disagree. The rest of your positions are a little odd, but this one is terrible.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#7 - 2013-02-04 00:50:09 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Wahh? Shocked

Why is it, people insist on thinking they are the only ones with an opinion?
You need to play more, and worry less about what other players are doing....




Did you read the whole post. If so, then you missed the point. In fact, I requested other opinions.

In order to have a discussion about opinions, one must make an opinion known. This is mine.

Discuss.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-04 00:50:43 UTC
So tell me how again will moving all these NPC corp people into one man corps will solve your perceived problem?

You know, one man corps that are recycled every time a war dec happens... Or do you want a button on your keyboard that forces people to undock so you can shoot them?

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server

Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-04 00:50:45 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


Why is it, people insist on thinking they are the only ones with an opinion?




Because the internet creates a strange contradiction of bringing people together yet encouraging solipsism.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#10 - 2013-02-04 00:51:31 UTC
Vallista wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:

3. Exist outside of systems less then 0.9 (Maybe 0.8)

Discuss.


So, you are saying that they should never be able to leave their starting system until they join a player corp? When I leave my player corp, I should be stuck in that system until I join another corp?

Did you think this through?

Allow me to respectfully disagree. The rest of your positions are a little odd, but this one is terrible.


Starting systems are 1.0. So, no. I am not saying they should never be able to leave. Please re-read my post.

Also, because of the one idea you don't agree with, do you not support any of the others?

Thank you.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-02-04 00:51:45 UTC
Stop. Just...no. No.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently

Dave Stark
#12 - 2013-02-04 00:53:08 UTC
i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#13 - 2013-02-04 00:53:23 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So tell me how again will moving all these NPC corp people into one man corps will solve your perceived problem?

You know, one man corps that are recycled every time a war dec happens... Or do you want a button on your keyboard that forces people to undock so you can shoot them?


No I do not think they should move into one man corps. Please go back and read all of my post.

No, I do not want a button forcing people to undock. What I want is for the game mechanics to not allow an abuse of the system. And, to restrict the players that use the exploit of an NPC corporation.

Thank you.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#14 - 2013-02-04 00:55:04 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.


Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me.

Thank you.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-02-04 00:57:44 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.

It's full of sensible and balanced ideas to trade off the use and abuse of wardec immunity through evenhanded disincentives, so I can imagine how the more emotional and vulnerable-feeling EVE-GD posters would consider it extremely provocative.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#16 - 2013-02-04 00:57:51 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
In order to have a discussion about opinions, one must make an opinion known. This is mine.

Discuss.


People hating players in NPC corps is a time honored tradition, but for now the mob has been mostly satisfied with the tax rate that was added to them.

All that would happen if your changes were made is more one player corps would appear, and currently there's another thread made by a guy who has a problem with them. Before we continue this discussion you have to contend with him.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Dave Stark
#17 - 2013-02-04 00:58:45 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.


Let me help you out. No, it is not a "troll thread". But, if by "troll" you mean, "get a reaction", then I suppose that is somewhat true. I want to get other people to give their opinions on the topic. Not just make a useless post about how they disagree with me.

Thank you.


ok i'll make it less useless; i disagree with you because your ideas are terrible.
let's look at the bit where you say npc corp members aren't allowed to mine.
why don't we take their guns too?
and stop them placing any market orde- oh wait you already did that...

is there anything they CAN do in an npc corp?
also, how am i meant to finish the industry tutorial in an npc corp if i can't mine?

your ideas are terrible and haven't been thought out at all. hence, it's clearly just trolling. that or you're really, really dumb.
Dave Stark
#18 - 2013-02-04 01:00:11 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just read the OP again, and i'm struggling to figure out how this isn't a troll thread.

It's full of sensible and balanced ideas to trade off the use and abuse of wardec immunity through evenhanded disincentives, so I can imagine how the more emotional and vulnerable-feeling EVE-GD posters would consider it extremely provocative.


i like sarcasm, hence i like this quote.
Whitehound
#19 - 2013-02-04 01:00:13 UTC
Oh. My. God. Shocked

How can you make such a list and forget to make the most important rule of all: not allowed to post on the forum!?

Wait, how come you are ...?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#20 - 2013-02-04 01:00:55 UTC
This isn't about war decs. Please do not confuse my corp name with the intentions of this thread.

In fact, the only real things I find to be of true importance are points #1 and #2. They show how anyone can abuse the system. I find it quite odd that a literal lackey of a huge corporation can defame a corporation by issuing bounties while under their employment.

This is a real world issue, too. How many HR departments have had seminars regarding "actions outside the workplace"? The answer is: all of them.
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