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Very trivial Gallente-Caldari naming overlaps

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#1 - 2013-02-03 12:31:01 UTC
I wonder if it was intentional or coincedental, but just a handful of things regarding the names of Caldari and Gallente ships. It might speak for the fact the two civilizations were partners far longer than they were enemies. We know that the Gallente ship naming scheme is a combination of Greco-Roman, Mesopotamian, Celtic/Briton etc. influences, and that the Caldari ship naming scheme is based around creatures.

Well, there's the Merlin, which is a bird, but also connects to Merlin the wizard from Arthurian legend. In turn, this connects to the Tristan, which is a Knight of the Round Table from the same legend. Then there's Griffin, which is most common in Ancient Greek lore. Then Cerberus, Rhea, Phoenix, Charon...

There's other stuff, too. I'm not sure it's supposed to represent cultural influences/overlaps between the two, but it's interesting.
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-02-03 21:08:50 UTC
Well, both Rhea and Phoenix are actually birds, so those do follow the standard naming convention for caldari. Charon and Cerberus, though, do seem a bit odd in this avian crowd. Oh, so do the Caracal (a desert cat) and the Scorpion (no need to introduce those either).

However, we must take into account the fact, that almost 20 000 years have passed since New Eden has been separated from the original human settlements in Milky Way, hence there could have happen some sort of mixup around the terms and people most likely have forgotten the original meanings of the words. For all we know Charon might have been named after some avian creature of Caldari Prime.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#3 - 2013-02-03 22:16:35 UTC
Oh yes, I'm aware it's not meant to directly correlate to anything in RL Earth, was more thinking thematically.
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-03 23:01:59 UTC
Well, thematically caldari ships are named after avian and some non-avian mythological beasts, and gallente usually name their hulls after greek olympian pantheon gods and other minor/major deities and beings.

But even still, Charon looks odd in this lineup...
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#5 - 2013-02-03 23:37:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Horatius Caul
As you say, a merlin is a bird. Connecting it to Arthurian legends is a stretch.

Overall, I find attempts to gain PF gravitas or extrapolate meaning from ship, NPC, and system names to be quite meaningless.
terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-09 23:27:51 UTC
Let us not forget the winged badger.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#7 - 2013-02-15 15:14:07 UTC
I would not worry about it too much, many real world ships share the same or similar name even though they are from different countries of origin.


The US and Russia have both used fish to name their submarines for example.

Perhaps a more relevant example would be that both the US Navy and British Royal Navy have had ships named "Enterprise"
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#8 - 2013-02-16 14:01:10 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
I would not worry about it too much, many real world ships share the same or similar name even though they are from different countries of origin.


The US and Russia have both used fish to name their submarines for example.

Perhaps a more relevant example would be that both the US Navy and British Royal Navy have had ships named "Enterprise"


Enterprise/Enterprize actually have an interesting history behind them, they don't actually follow the "Naming Conventions" utilised by either the US Navy or Royal Navy.

In both cases they are actually a continuation of the fact that the original were taken from a nation previously at war, to a point where they have become a Legacy Name; that do not follow Naming Conventions.

I would also point out that the Designation, is different from the Class Name.
e.g. HMS Enterprise is currently an Echo-Class Research Vessel, while the USS Enterprise is currently a Enterprise-Class Aircraft Carrier (soon to be replaced by a Gerlad Ford-Class)

When we're talking ships in EVE, assuming similarities to Real-Life Designation; then the CNV Okigaiken (name of my Charon) would be considered a Charon-Class Freighter

Something I do agree though, is that the ship Class Designations could be pointed out that they don't really properly follow Conventions even within the naming schemes they are suppose to be following.

The Gallente and Caldari ships follow a naming convention far more closely than any of the other ships, even if there are some small inconsistencies. This said something that CCP could also do, for example when they rebalanced the Merlin from a Turret-Launcher ship to a Turret only ship; would be to create a new Class to echo these changes with the old one still being available.

I mean I know there are plenty of people here who likely believe the Hookbill has always been a pure Launcher-based ship, when it actually was the same as the Merlin for a very long time with both Turret and Launcher slots.

Personally I think it would be good if CCP took the oppurtunty to provide a better naming convention system to the ships, or rectify minor discrepancies. Still it isn't a big deal tbh, after all while these mean one thing to us; as said above they could be something else within the EVE universe itself.

We just don't have enough background information on the Flora & Forna or Religions / Beliefs within the EVE Universe.
In-fact if it wasn't for a few players back when the game originally launched doing a large amount of back-story for each of the Factions the Caldari (for example) would still be little more than a group of Capitalist-Military focused people who have absolutely no care for anyone else within the universe.

Rather than the quite rich history and background they have today. In-fact all of the Races were incredibly bland initially... they are today because of what we the players have made them more than CCP.
Destarsee Flamesword
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-16 23:11:36 UTC
lets not forget the Chimera. that is a creature of the Greek mythology. part lion, part goat, and part serpent. yet. it is a Caldari carrier
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-18 00:58:38 UTC
Destarsee Flamesword wrote:
lets not forget the Chimera. that is a creature of the Greek mythology. part lion, part goat, and part serpent. yet. it is a Caldari carrier

This one can be explained by the backstory behind the Chimera herself. The name might be a homage to the fact that the original vessel Chimera's design is based on was a sort of chimaera of spaceships, a refitted water freighter to act as a fighter carrier.

Caldari-Gallente War: The Breakout (chronicle)
Chimera (Caldari Carrier)
Yakiya Tovil-Toba
Fener Iste
Deep Cover Operations Command
#11 - 2013-02-18 18:55:41 UTC
i like the tengu and the proteus they make actual sence.

Wannabe outlaw.