Player Features and Ideas Discussion

AFK - no problem.

Cloaked pilots - the op hates em.

there is no trouble with the afk cloaked that can't be solved by taking out of the free intel channel.

Yes but those people don't post on the forums asking for a way to counter something they already found a way to counter.

Kill them when they try to do something. (anything other than moving about in system requires them to decloak)

In your own words:

You can bait them. Use your own cloaking ships and then send out something that looks like a carebear ship.

Or you can just make it obvious that you have ships waiting to kill them should they decloak, therefore they won't decloak and will be unable to do anything to you. Thus countering them (they neither get kills nor get to deny you isk)



Hotdrops are a different beast and honestly require their own thread.

If they aren't on grid with you when they decloak they aren't likely to be much of a threat. (it also defeats the point of a "hot drop" if the fleet then has to warp to whoever they plan on ganking)

If they are on grid you should have no problems detecting them the moment they decloak and try something.

It's supposed to throw people off. And interceptors are "nearly invincible" as scouts as well unless you catch them on gate. You will never probe down an interceptor warping around fast enough to actually catch him. They can even go afk if they setup to permarun their mwds.


EDIT: I'll also throw out that a big part of EVE is the fact that you CANT know for certain what the other guy is planning on doing until he actually does it.

Let's take a moment to be perfectly clear on a few details.

Local allows PvE players in low or null to completely avoid all hostiles, and potential hostiles. FACT.
Local requires no effort beyond watching a list, that updates automatically, and has flawless accuracy. FACT.
Cloaked vessels, once past the possible bottleneck at a gate, can completely avoid detection. FACT.

And yet somehow certain people are saying it is the cloaked vessel that is overpowered, despite being capable of only effecting a stalemate with the cooperation of the PvE pilots present.

Fozzie did a recent podcast stating they were looking into new intel tools for alliances so that they can nerf local - so that will happen eventually and make a lot of people in this thread happy. With that out of the way the conversation turns to cloaking.

The reason cloaking is a problem is that there isn't a sufficient counter to cloaking. Everything in eve has a counter, and cloaking does not deserve a special exemption to that. Noah, back when he was lead game designer a few years ago, agreed that afk-cloaking is a problem and needed a counter. But he also said there are technical limitations that prevent something such as a probing out cloaked players. They wanted to change cloaking, but didn't have a solution at the time.

By requiring cloaking to have charges and still allowing a reasonable amount of cloaking time, opposing players will have an opportunity to scan out cloaked players while they are reloading. It's not a direct counter, but sufficient enough and gets around those technical limitations. Cloaking is an important piece of game play, but it needs to be a balanced piece of game play. Players have also talked about a cloaking jammer, but that doesn't fix having a counter for cloaking outside of sov space.

Adjusted the OP to reflect the fact that players should be able to de-cloak when needed without waiting for a 5 minute cycle.

So then your problem isn't with AFK cloaking, it's with the fact that risk exists.

Maybe you should try hisec?



So you're saying 0.0 isn't supposed to be dangerous? LOL.

All of you pro cloak nerfs quit using logic. That kind of thing is NOT ALLOWED , because it all logic can be beaten with "qqmore" "carebear go hisec" and "it r fair because it r meant to be unbeatable"

So sh and learn your place due to the infallible arguments of everyone against you I've summed up above this.