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For the sake of Cleanup and Organizing - Player Corps

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Gryphon Infinite
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-03 21:11:57 UTC
Can we please have Player Corporations deleted, if they have 0 members? Or have been inactive for like 5 years.

You can witness this yourself if you inspect the Corporation Finder tool.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-02-03 21:42:46 UTC
I agree with this, if the corp has 0 members it should be closed and left as such with the name reentering the pool.
Which it should be but wasnt when I last tried.
Gryphon Infinite
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-03 21:44:40 UTC
Thank you my friend.

There are so many benefits to list:::

Name is reentered into the name pool.
Less spam, and better clean up in the corporation finder tool.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-02-03 22:55:25 UTC
Do it. Now. I have spoken.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently

Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-03 23:01:44 UTC
meh i expected a post about the horrible corp management UI we have atm.

but yeah add something like a billing system for having your corporation registered with concord, no isk, no billl payment, no corp
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-02-03 23:03:43 UTC
If we're annoyed, imagine how annoyed the DUST players will be at having to name themselves replacing vowels with numbers
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#7 - 2013-02-03 23:22:50 UTC
Easy fix really:
If an account unsubscribe, kick all characters from any player corporation.
If a corp has 0 members, make the name available.
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#8 - 2013-02-03 23:25:27 UTC
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
If a corp has 0 members, make the name available.

this is already the case

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#9 - 2013-02-03 23:46:21 UTC
Ottersmacker wrote:
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
If a corp has 0 members, make the name available.

this is already the case


Yarp. When a corp has 0 members, it is closed and no longer exists. The name can be used again.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-04 00:02:31 UTC
There was a dev response a few years back on why closed down corporations are retained in the database and players are unable to open up new ones with the same name: They're still in someone's employment history.

In regards of kicking characters on inactive accounts from player corps - are you high on something or what?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#11 - 2013-02-04 01:03:41 UTC
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
There was a dev response a few years back on why closed down corporations are retained in the database and players are unable to open up new ones with the same name: They're still in someone's employment history


Check my employment history and you'll see the same corp name used and labeled (closed) twice. I'm sure it could be used a 3rd time if someone wanted to, but i doubt they would.

They must have made a change since you heard that.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Cephalus
Epic Logistic
#12 - 2013-02-04 01:39:46 UTC
i dont think we should dig up dead corpses.
let them rest in peace whit their history.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#13 - 2013-02-04 01:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Totally agree. There is a mess of Corps out there.

For the ones with a single player in them, send a mail out to inform them of the imminent closure of their Corp*, (30 days), and to offer them an invite back to EVE for 7 days to try it out again. Inform them that if they do not return within that period and choose to resubscribe, then their Corp will go into liquidation and any remaining assets will be placed in secure storage, following which a 45 day period will pass and the Corp name will be erased from the history books.

This would make them unlinkable from player history, (just like any closed Corp), and free up both ticker and name selection for use again. Personally, I think the removal of these would be a great benefit, and it would allow for one more thing: Those Corps that fall into this category which have POS in space would immediately release the POS from control and possession.

This would of course mean the POS would unanchor and fall into a deteriorating orbit which would result in its destruction within 2 hours, or at the next down time.

\o/



*Diplomatically of course. New policy, clearing databases and freeing up tags, tickers, etc.. unused, blahblablah... and so on as needed to ensure they don't think it is personal, which it isn't. Smile
zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Wigglenomics
C O C A I N E
#14 - 2013-02-04 02:01:47 UTC
< ade this corp recently and I must say that I was surprised it was available.

It will be one of the largest and most successful corp and eventually, alliances in game (have to speak it into existence, HALLELUJAH!!!).

But yeah...I was floored...
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-04 02:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Eija-Riitta Veitonen
Bane Necran wrote:
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
There was a dev response a few years back on why closed down corporations are retained in the database and players are unable to open up new ones with the same name: They're still in someone's employment history


Check my employment history and you'll see the same corp name used and labeled (closed) twice. I'm sure it could be used a 3rd time if someone wanted to, but i doubt they would.

They must have made a change since you heard that.

This can happen if you joined, then left, then joined the same corp again before it was closed down. Employment history lists all the periods of your "employment" with corporation, in the chronological descending order. If you were a part of a corporation on multiple periods with any amount of breaks in between, they all will be listed as separate entries. This is why the closed corps do not get deleted and hence do not allow their names to be reused - to make sure there is and will always be only one corporation with the given name, even if it's part of the history.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#16 - 2013-02-04 02:41:03 UTC
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
This can happen if you joined, then left, then joined the same corp again before it was closed down.


Maybe, but i made the corp and closed it both times myself.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-02-04 03:14:47 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
This can happen if you joined, then left, then joined the same corp again before it was closed down.


Maybe, but i made the corp and closed it both times myself.

I can attest to the validity of this claim.

almost a year ago, i had made a corp called Celestial Ascension, to act as the lowsec combat corp for me and my buddies after we stopped being miners.

after just a couple engagements in low/null, we started getting nullsec recruitment requests and people asking us "hey, what happened to X, does he still fly with you all?"

only to go to eve-kill and see that apparently the corp name we chose was the name of a fairly successful combat corp years prior to me starting it, and people were scared of us miners/ratters in lowsec cause they thought we were actually "1337 pvp" (it was amarr lowsec, not hard to be considered elite down there, though we did rat in pvp ships, so thats probably another reason peopel thought we knew what we were doing)
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-02-04 06:42:52 UTC
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
There was a dev response a few years back on why closed down corporations are retained in the database and players are unable to open up new ones with the same name:They're still in someone's employment history.




This is simply not true. Once a corporation has 0 members in it, the corporation becomes closed, and a new corporation can be created with that name, and ticker. Same goes for alliances. They are just retained in the database, like you said, for employment history records.

Thread was created on a misconception.

/thread.
Gryphon Infinite
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-02-04 10:38:32 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
There was a dev response a few years back on why closed down corporations are retained in the database and players are unable to open up new ones with the same name:They're still in someone's employment history.




This is simply not true. Once a corporation has 0 members in it, the corporation becomes closed, and a new corporation can be created with that name, and ticker. Same goes for alliances. They are just retained in the database, like you said, for employment history records.

Thread was created on a misconception.

/thread.


Nope. Here is evidence. I JUST took this and uploaded it. Here is an example of a corp with 0 members, still in existence. And there are MANY more like it where that came from.

Make sure you zoom in.

http://tinypic.com/r/28hg5xu/6

/thread
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-02-04 11:43:30 UTC
Is it possible that what people are seeing are corps that weren't closed, but instead all the members just quit the corp?

I thought the whole DOT thing was due to not being unable to use old corp and alliance names.
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