Crime & Punishment

Read The Code more closely.

The James Gang (ROFLMAO) doesn't promise to protect anybody at all; the permit is simply to avoid being bumped/ganked by Agents/Knights. And you have to be at your keyboard and not busy; if they do a bot check and you don't answer cuz you are in the bathroom/on the phone/got the screen minimized because you are watching Netflix, you can be 'legally' bumped or ganked.

Also, any other ganker can pop you and you are required to thank said ganker for a 'Good Fight' in local.. Random gankers are part of James315 hisec; if they got you, it was a bad fit or just bad luck on your part.

The only time James will 'reimburse' the cost of your shiny mining boat is if you (a permit holder) were truly, accidentally popped by a Knight in a gank op, and you weren't AFK or anything like that (ie, Code violator).

And you had better ask him nicely, if you want that 200 million isk to replace your ice-mining Mack...:)

The Code is truly a beautiful piece of nonsense; James315 has so many outs, loopholes, and tricks in it that I think it should be framed in every law school in the world. Nigerians weep when they read it.

Basically, you pay him 10 million isk...and he owes you NOTHING. Obligations? NONE. Duties? ZERO.

The man is a genius.

Reserved. (In case of lock)

There may have been competition if there was any money in it. There isn't. I can't remember who phrased it this way, but overtime CCP has changed ganking (via buffs to barges, concord and nerfs to insurance etc) from a viable profession to a volunteer spectator sport, and the New Order Knights are like the New York Yankees of ganking.

I tried getting some local miners to pay me 10 million isk each (or 300 mil for their alliance) for me to blue them and not gank their exhumers. After a week or so and about a dozen exhumers down, plus a few of their mission boats that they attempted to use to exercise their kill rights, still not one of them was willing to pay. Considering everything that I looted and salvaged from their wrecks I ended up about 50 million in the hole. Still, it was a quality gameplay experience and I have no regrets.

So if this isn't an extortion racket, why would I get blown up if I am NOT afk and I do NOT pay the 10 million, while being against bots and so-called 'bot-aspirants'? Furthermore, whoever voted and made them responsible for cleaning up the streets, so to speak?

Now, we all know that beyond any RP reasons, the purpose behind the New Order is to have fun with highsec ganking.

I was hoping that there was actual profit involved as well, in order to create actual competition.

I am a highsec miner, and make the majority of my isk from it. I can say that I do not want to be suicide-ganked, but I also acknowledge that it is perfectly within their rights to do so. There's an element of risk to everything in eve -- I am aware that if I AFK mine while doing the dishes that Bad Things can happen while I'm gone.

I also realize that even if I'm at the keyboard, Bad Things can still happen. But there are "reasonable precautions" a miner can take, such as not risking a T2 mining ship, making sure he's insured, aligning to station, having a reasonable tank, and so forth. Miners who don't do these things are taking risks, and it's up to them to judge these risks versus the possible rewards.

The only thing I'm philosophically opposed to in this whole scenario is the lack of profit motive. As I said, there should be competition, space-mafia turf wars, mercenary mining guards (and mining guard scams), and so on. But if there's no actual money in extorting/bumping, then we won't see any of that, and honestly that's kind of a shame. I think it would add some really interesting texture and variety to the highsec game.

Or even at the simplest level, somebody could start up an alt for the purpose of going out and destroy all of the "mining license" signposts and putting up their own, with the exact same message, but funneling the money into THEIR accounts. That way, the Order does all the dirty work, loses all the ships, and takes all the security hits, and the alt gets all the profit!

Sticks and stones may break my bones but chains and whips excite me... This isnt harming people, it's just a bunch of chickens too afraid to go against someone their own size...

So was I, which is why I avoid harassment and abuse.

I was just talking about the whole development of the past few days, and I must admit, I would have agreed that New Order are trying for something good (since people are forced to work with escorts, to pay attention, aligned etc, as they would in low sec ops) however the fact that they try to extort protection money, no matter what name they use for it, this simple fact ruins their image and lowers them to street thug level.

You spelled blubbering idiot wrong.

Don't like being extorted and oppressed by the New Order? Get off your backside and do something about it.

Be better than the people who've already tried and failed to form a resistance, recruit like minded people, hire mercs, take the fight to them, just do something other than whine on the forums.

You guys are really boring, taking something like this seriously.