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Scanning is a joke! JOKE!

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-03 00:10:19 UTC
This doesn't sound like scanning... the on-board scanner has no red dots Straight

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#22 - 2013-02-03 01:15:12 UTC
Your filters are screwed up and you haven't learned the quick keys yet. I refuse to post instructions here because they are all over the internet already. Don't whine, learn.


...and yes it should only take minutes to mark out a system.
Orlacc
#23 - 2013-02-03 02:01:53 UTC
Dang this is too hard so it am busted. I want 2D scanning and no more big wurds lahk trasvursle...

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Hot Cell
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-02-03 03:23:59 UTC
I highly recommend using 7 probes.

Use 5 probes in a plus (+) sign, with 1 probe in the center. Then launch 1 probe to go up (z-axis) and 1 probe to go down. This means you're covering the plus sign, as well as the 3D areas.

Remember to use alt and shift key. I find these 2 buttons make life SIMPLE.
Sovereign Solette
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-02-03 13:40:22 UTC
Thanks people! I am gonna skill up and use 7 probes - sounds good!
Keno Skir
#26 - 2013-02-03 18:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Sovereign Solette wrote:
Do SOMETHING to fix it. I mean, turn it 2D or make it into a fun minigame like those Mass Effect 2 mini puzzles but more appropriate, I don't know.........


Mate, you do something to fix it. Thousands of people use it fine, you just aren't very good at it yet. Get back on your bike and learn to ride, then you can discuss the mechanics of bicycle design.

EDIT : I have basic scan skills and use 6 probes. I have never been unable to scan down a sig since learning how so i know its not so skill intensive as some make out.
Orlacc
#27 - 2013-02-03 18:41:03 UTC
Sovereign Solette wrote:
Thanks people! I am gonna skill up and use 7 probes - sounds good!



Now that's the attitude! Once you "get it" you will have a blast!

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2013-02-03 19:12:32 UTC
Oz Yael wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
If you're intending to explore seriously (which I wouldn't recommend if you hate scanning), get astrometrics to 4 mininum and the other 3 (astrometric acquisition, astrometric pinpointing and astrometric rangefinding) to 3 minimum.

Scanning's mostly about practice and player skills. I know people who can scan an entire system down (multiple sigs) in a couple minutes


Who? I would like to see a video of this!

Impossible.


Ask anyone that's lived in a wormhole, it's entirely possible to scan an entire solar system in a matter of minutes. You'll find that scanning takes a combination of both real world and virtual skills, and practice is an important part of gaining the real world skills.

Knowledge and research are your friends, there's multiple websites out there that provide information on the shortcuts to determining the signature type via their initial strength. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Base_Signature_Strength is a good place to start.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#29 - 2013-02-03 19:15:44 UTC
Btw magically disappearing signatures means it's VERY HIGHLY LIKELY that you set a scan filter. The filter doesn't know what to filter out until you've narrowed it below about 40-50% and you actually know the sig type.

Thus if you have a filter to only show Radar and Mag sites any Grav, Ladar, or Unknown sigs will disappear once you reach that threshold.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#30 - 2013-02-03 21:09:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Normally I would lock this for ranting, but you're getting some good help and responses despite that, so I'll leave it open as long as it stays that way, and only do some light editing of OP.

Some extra tips to make the UI work for you:


  • Hold Shift and drag one probe to move all probes at once, keeping their "formation" intact.
  • Hold Shift and drag the scan radius of one probe to scale the scan radii of all probes at once.
  • Hold Alt and drag one probe to scale the position of all probes around their central point.


Using these three shortcuts, you can easily progressively narrow down single signatures.

Ed: Make sure your scan filters are also set up correctly. By default, everything is shown while it is an "unknown" signature. The filters only get applied when you narrow it down enough to put a type to it. If that type is not within your filters, the signature will just "disappear" when you narrow it down.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#31 - 2013-02-04 08:05:05 UTC
Use your probes in a tetrahedral arrangement with the overlap range around the region of space you want to look at, or an octahedral arrangement with a central probe for a larger region of space if you have the skills for that many probes. Because in space you have to quadrangulate instead of triangulate, you need four probes at minimum to see the point before you can pinpoint it, if you only have three seeing it you'll get two dots reflected across the plane of the three probes.

If you don't know what that means and can't successfully look it up with Google, give up and mine in belts instead or something, because the problem is you're probably not smart enough to successfully scan. either way, quit whining, most people have fairly minimal trouble figuring this out with internet access so if you can't it's your problem.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#32 - 2013-02-04 10:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Check my exploration tutorial, click the link in my sig.



p.s. stop acting like a clown.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-02-04 10:48:16 UTC
What if I told you that probes didn't have warpdrives....back in the day. You had to drop them yourself :P.

On the constructive note, make sure you are in a scanning ship(with preferably some scan strength rigs) and keep training those scan skills up! Use core probes not combat ones(although there is a way to use combats for general overview of the system but it's a little bit more advanced).

Scanning will get easier the more you do it, just stick with it. Good luck!
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-02-04 11:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ana Fox
Hot Cell wrote:
I highly recommend using 7 probes.

Use 5 probes in a plus (+) sign, with 1 probe in the center. Then launch 1 probe to go up (z-axis) and 1 probe to go down. This means you're covering the plus sign, as well as the 3D areas.

Remember to use alt and shift key. I find these 2 buttons make life SIMPLE.


Even if he start to use 10 probes it will not change to much.Most of my isk making if not all is over probing ,and up to this day I didnt find one reason why you should use more then five probes.You dont even need five ,four is enough to scan strong signals with decent skills.Point is he have problem understanding how things works,so with more probes he will not solve any if he dont understands basic concept about probing.


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I have tried scanning and its just fighting the User Interface, I'm sure this was not the intended aim of scanning! I did have 1 success, netted 12 million, but afterwards, its like after I narrow down a red target zone, it disappears!!! It goes on like this ad infinitum, increase scan area, narrow, increase scan area, narrow................

How. Annoying. Trying to align my probes for 30 minutes to an hour. I did see that youtube video also on how to align your probes so I know how it works etc and I have been patient but it just doesn't WORK!!!


It worked fine for big majority of players in EVE so problems is in you.Maybe now CCP need to change this mechanic so you can use zero effort and earn tons of isk and say how you are space rich.

Scanning is fine it is just asking for bit of reading and that is all.Few days ago I was talking with one week new pilot,and he/she used tutorial that one of posters said above (Vilnius Zar ),and he/she didnt had any problems.

Raging on forums cause you are lazy will not help,and scanning is that way cause it is really strong tool,you dont use probes only in pve ,so making it trivial will just be wrong.

Also one thing more ,regarding skills.You dont need all skills maxed or to be freaking great,what you need is just to have five probes and that is about it.For start that is more than enough cause you will use ships with scan bonus (Heron,Imicus etc).

Just read and ask players in help chat they will help you ,dont come to forum asking for something to be fixed what works just fine.No one likes drama queens.Also some players learn something faster and some slower.that is why we have so many things in EVE,so if you find something annoying for you dont do it.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#35 - 2013-02-04 12:16:45 UTC
i have to admit, to a new player the scannign system is somewhat daunting and very intimidating on a 3d landscape and can do with some improving,

i did however find that this official scanning tutorial helped me ALOT when i decided to learn how to scan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00Idg&list=SPFCD7CE88C4615EFF&index=2

i hope that helps
Ixpha
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-02-05 04:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ixpha
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Check your filters, make sure that you haven't got the scanner set to not show any specific sig types.



After reading your post it seems its this problem, if u filter out any of the spesific Sites in the scanning option, it will vanish when the site is recognised. I did exactly that myself when i started my very first exploration trips, thinking i could filter out everything but the radar sites Oops and i couldnt understand why 99% of the scans vanished lol.

And as for the skills, you dont need a gazillion probes or 4-5 in astrometrics to scan down almost any site(it will be easier however), at least not in hi and low sec, except maybe the 5 and 6/10 sites. Once i figured out the filter issue i scanned with lvl 3 skills and 5 probes for a long time with no problems whatsoever, if ur not using a scanning frig, i used a rupture with only 1 scan rig and skills at lvl 3. When you get better at scanning and you cannot scan down a site its most likely too hard for you to do anyway.

Just saying because some advices here may seem like you "cant" do exploration unless u have astrometrics and the other scanning skills at 4+


Personally i prioritized getting a T2 cloak on my rupture for low sec, because i got fed up by the T3 cruisers nabbing everything in hi sec :P
Ixpha
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-02-05 04:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ixpha
ups double post
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-02-05 21:46:12 UTC
Sovereign Solette wrote:
I have tried scanning and its just fighting the User Interface, I'm sure this was not the intended aim of scanning! I did have 1 success, netted 12 million, but afterwards, its like after I narrow down a red target zone, it disappears!!! It goes on like this ad infinitum, increase scan area, narrow, increase scan area, narrow................



I suspect the issue is you are only thinking about it in 2 dimensions. This was my issue when I first started scanning.

Be sure to flip the solar system so you are looking at the plain, then adjust the height of the drones above and below the plain.



So.. to scan effectively.

Have skills to use at least 5 probes, and have the other skills that increase probe signal strength trained.

Open the map, select solar system map, use left click to ensure you are looking at it from directly above/below.

Launch 5 probes. Open scanner window. Select all probes in the scanning window. Adjust the scan range to like 32au.

One by one, drag the probes out from the stack, one in each direction, about 2/3rds of the center probe's range to get a good overlap. Then hold shift while moving all 5 probes to cover most, all of the solar system's planets.

Drag the map so that you are looking at it on edge. Hold shift and drag the probes up/down to be on the plain. Drag the map back so you are looking from above again.

Scan. Pick one of the sigs to try to narrow down. Drop the scan range to like 8au. hold ALT while dragging one of the probes into about 2/3rds of the center probe's range. All 4 of the outer probes will move in at one time. Remember that you can zoom in/out, and right-click-drag recenters on all 3 plains.

Hold Shift while moving one of the probes. All 5 will move at once. Drag them directly over the sig. Drag the map vew so you are again looking at it from the edge. Drag the probes up/down to be over the sig. Scan again.

If you have a ring, adjust the location of all 5 using shift/drag to cover the ring. if you get 2 dots again, adjust the location of the probes... on the plane or above/below.

Once you get it back to a single dot, shrink the scan range again, alt-drag the probes in toward the center with a good overlap. shift drag on the plane and above/below the place as needed to have the dot be in the center of the probes.


Repeat shrinking the range, alt drage the probes in, shift-drage to move the probes in all 3 dimensions.

If you can't get it to 100%, better skills and better launcher/probes/ship with bonuses.


I can now scan down very hard locations within a couple minutes.

Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#39 - 2013-02-05 22:04:13 UTC
I have no trouble now but it was really hard getting it working in the beginning. Work on your skills. Also the bigger the overlap in the middle the higher the scan strength (to a point)--at least this is what I've observed. Also use Alt and Ctrl click to move the probes. Scanning takes only a minute or two and it's fun, shouldn't be frustrating at all unless if you're probing down something beyond your skill level. Use sisters equipment and gravity capacitor rigs.
Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-02-05 22:13:04 UTC
Hint: Use alt and shift.
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