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Atrocious Leadership vs Heretic Nation...

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Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-02-03 20:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Estella Osoka wrote:
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
During MG's time out of Heretics and in PL he lost his moon and tried to force Heretic Army to become his personal bank account to replace the moon by telling us that Heretic Army is no longer a pew corp and we're supposed to stop what we're doing train jump drive calibration V and get in carriers/train cyno alts to do low sec incursions 23.5/7. .


Why would need to train carriers and cyno alts to do low sec incursions?


Everyone in the corp is well below -5.0 so moving an incursion fleet through high sec is pretty much out of the question, especially if we're doing it all the time we're going to get caught eventually and often. Going around in low sec has similar problems. In either event there is a strong possibility that moving from one to the other will take excruciatingly long. Throwing everything into a ship maintenance bays/corp hangars and carrier jumping WOULD have been doable had we been willing to do it.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

HoleySheet1
Deep-Fried Prawns with Lemon
#22 - 2013-02-03 20:49:43 UTC
Drama? Where? Low sec? Never mind.

Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better.

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-02-04 03:27:21 UTC
This thread actually amuses me. MIrrorGod batphones Failed Diplomacy and Rebirth., two corporations known for stationhugging and risk aversion. Rebirth. is known for not only failing in high sec, but fails harder in low sec. MirrorGod thinks he can batphone Shadow Cartel, of whom I know several directors. That fails. Rebirth loses 8-bil in low sec in Amamake because Rebirth has no friends, according to their CEO. He thought he'd be able to kill Zero Threat and myself, whom he absolutely hates.

I have to thank you, though. You only cemented why Rebirth is ******* terrible, and the rage recording I have after Ushwi's pod loss just makes me laugh hard. You were able to talk Kai into playing on our terms like he is so apt to do, and you helped to make sure his efficiency is destroyed for the better part of this month.

You are my hero. Please, continue.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Yendaj
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
#24 - 2013-02-04 11:40:39 UTC
Just to set things straight about the absolute rubbish reason why Griz and Jude stole Heretic Army/Nation:

Directly from Mirrorgods post on the Heretic Army Forums: Regarding Incursions:

ANTI-Incursions

The Plan: Incursion chasing. Lowsec. We chase the PVP, once that runs dry, we jew the incursions. In a more mobile mannerism than done when in Amamake, Heretics will retain the habits of old, sending scout alts 1 jump out in all directions and looking for kills.

Why: Prepare to step out of your comfort zone. This is a new playstyle. We’re taking the Piracy RapeTrain and driving it top speed into making 100m+ an hour. It will be very active and we aim to NEVER BE DOCKED -- that is, be actually playing eve as much as possible when logged in. Low-sec incursions attract a lot of attention, and we’re going to farm kills off of them until everyone RUNS THE **** AWAY. Then we’ll gorge ourselves on CONCORD’s payroll until we have positive security status. Then we’ll go straight to Yulai and suicide gank bitches.

-------------------------^^^^^^^-----------------------------------

So much for Mirrorgod turning ANTI into an actual incursion corporation. You lying pieces of crap!

Thankfully you didnt have the wherewithall to actually create your own forums so you stole Hoggs forum and put it elsewhere. Good thing Hoggs knows how to actually backup and keep his own database.

Now to the replies from the actual members of ANTI:

Jimmyhatt
Heretic Army


Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:26 pm
Posts: 262
Re: ANTI Incursions
You have my JF for use.. Its 5 5 5 across the board.. I can move things as needed.

Neo Corricon
BRB Gone to another corp

Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:25 am
Posts: 22
Location: Orange County, CA
Re: ANTI Incursions
2 Carriers and 1 JF reporting for duty. All JC5, Carrier 5, etc...

Neo will be in whatever T3 is called for.


Gaijin Mei
Heretic Army


Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:39 am
Posts: 29
Re: ANTI Incursions
arcon and thanny reporting for duty also frieghter and orca if needed.

lets get this party started :)

Valoche Mrehl
Heretic Army


Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:36 am
Posts: 11
Re: ANTI Incursions
+1



Then the so called self appointed leadership had a little discussion, decided that they didnt want to lose their supposed power and
Griz posts this after they steal the corp and reformat it.


griznatle Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:34 am
Outsider

Joined: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:48 am
Posts: 122
Location: Seattle, WA
Re: ANTI Incursions
Rip mirrorgod's army

Viva le revolution


Pretty cut and dry, you guys stole the corp and reformatted it so that Jude was showing as the founder. You have no vision, lack insight and are obviously wanting to cash in on a reputation you had no hand in making. The only real drama going on now is in local and in your coms as you all try to figure out how to stop Heretic Nation from actually leaving Amamake to pvp on roams while you lot are incapable of leaving your safety blanket incase you have to impliment proper pvp with scouting and tactics....

=/

btw I see Tuskers handed your arses to you on a platter.... rofl?

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#25 - 2013-02-04 12:26:12 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
During MG's time out of Heretics and in PL he lost his moon and tried to force Heretic Army to become his personal bank account to replace the moon by telling us that Heretic Army is no longer a pew corp and we're supposed to stop what we're doing train jump drive calibration V and get in carriers/train cyno alts to do low sec incursions 23.5/7. .


Why would need to train carriers and cyno alts to do low sec incursions?


To carrier jump to the next one immediately.

-Liang


You do realize that Incursion constellations have cyno jammers, which make that impossible to do?
Tetsel
House Amamake
#26 - 2013-02-04 15:03:41 UTC
I have a monocle. Roll

Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. @EVE_Tetsel

Another Bittervet Please Ignore

lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-02-04 15:46:21 UTC
Yendaj = MirrorGod
Anabaric
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#28 - 2013-02-04 15:51:54 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
Yendaj = MirrorGod


This.

Drama Llama everywhere.

Community Manager www.Battleclinic.com @battleclinic Loadouts + Killboards + Forums Twitter @anabaric_eve www.the-bastards.net Recruitment: OPEN

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#29 - 2013-02-04 19:46:27 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
During MG's time out of Heretics and in PL he lost his moon and tried to force Heretic Army to become his personal bank account to replace the moon by telling us that Heretic Army is no longer a pew corp and we're supposed to stop what we're doing train jump drive calibration V and get in carriers/train cyno alts to do low sec incursions 23.5/7. .


Why would need to train carriers and cyno alts to do low sec incursions?


To carrier jump to the next one immediately.

-Liang


You do realize that Incursion constellations have cyno jammers, which make that impossible to do?


I'll spell it out for you since you have a case of the dumbs: the plan was to jump within 1 stargate jump of the Incursion constellation. 2-3 carrier jumps is still way more pleasant than everyone flying deadspace fit battleships across 60-100 jumps of low sec/null sec to get to the next Incursion. Roll

-Liang

Ed: Not that I endorse this plan or that I would have partaken in it (despite being quite well set up to do so). Just that's what the plan was.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#30 - 2013-02-04 19:54:20 UTC
Yendaj wrote:

So much for Mirrorgod turning ANTI into an actual incursion corporation. You lying pieces of crap!
Now to the replies from the actual members of ANTI
...


No, turning Heretics into an Incursion corp was definitely in your plan MG. You discussed it on the forums and on vent and tried to convince us to go along with it. Nobody was having it. You can cherry pick the 3-4 responses from your best buds and even go run Incursions with a few of your best buds - but don't pretend like the corp was behind you on this.

Also, drop the whole "MG/Yendaj" thing because we both know it to be bullshit.

Quote:
btw I see Tuskers handed your arses to you on a platter.... rofl?


What are you talking about?

http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=home&view=losses&y=2013&w=06

How's that POS doing m8?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Serenity Frye
Doughboys
#31 - 2013-02-04 21:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
hey guys, let me refocus the thread a little bit. you see, Edit: Personal attacks are prohibited - ISD Tyrozan.

thanks for your time.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-02-04 22:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Yendaj wrote:
Now to the replies from the actual members of ANTI:

Jimmyhatt
Heretic Army


Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:26 pm
Posts: 262
Re: ANTI Incursions
You have my JF for use.. Its 5 5 5 across the board.. I can move things as needed.

Neo Corricon
BRB Gone to another corp

Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:25 am
Posts: 22
Location: Orange County, CA
Re: ANTI Incursions
2 Carriers and 1 JF reporting for duty. All JC5, Carrier 5, etc...

Neo will be in whatever T3 is called for.


Gaijin Mei
Heretic Army


Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:39 am
Posts: 29
Re: ANTI Incursions
arcon and thanny reporting for duty also frieghter and orca if needed.

lets get this party started :)

Valoche Mrehl
Heretic Army


Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:36 am
Posts: 11
Re: ANTI Incursions
+1



Then the so called self appointed leadership had a little discussion, decided that they didnt want to lose their supposed power and
Griz posts this after they steal the corp and reformat it.


griznatle Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:34 am
Outsider

Joined: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:48 am
Posts: 122
Location: Seattle, WA
Re: ANTI Incursions
Rip mirrorgod's army

Viva le revolution


This is what is known as quote mining. It's the kind of thing that will get you kicked out of university if your prof ever caught you doing it because it's a dishonest method of arguing on its face. If you don't know what that is quote mining is, it's when you deliberately look through writings in order to cite parts of it out of context to make your case when the original author is either not in agreement or directly opposed to you. This is WHY it's academically speaking a crime, because you are trying to make your point by misrepresenting someone who is NOT on your side. I'm not saying the idea was rejected in its entirety by 100% of the pilots in Heretic Army but you are able to quote at best 4 pilots who agreed (+1 by itself is pretty vague and I don't remember exactly what he was giving his +1 to so even if I assume you are right you have 4 people). The rest of us are left out of these quotes except for Griz who was not on board and his quote comes from the end of the thread after we had all weighed in, since your vendetta is against him it's only natural you'd try to paint him as the bad guy, that's what quote mining is for. The rest of us were overwhelmingly against this. Like I said this decision terminated Heretic Army 1.0. The fact that there is another corp named Heretic Army does not give MG the right to claim it. Just as if you have a 2006 Honda Civic you can't go to the dealership and drive off with a 2013 Civic because it has the same name and is therefore yours because you drive a Civic. If those who were willing to do MG's incursion thing wanted to, who could have stopped them from forming a new corp and doing it? No one stopped them and they didn't do it anyway.

Now if you truly believe you're not quote mining you should have no issues with LINKING THE ******* FORUM. That way we can all read the unabridged version in its full context.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Jones Bones
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#33 - 2013-02-04 22:28:23 UTC
This thread is now about the greatest leadership ANTI ever had...

FUSCHIA COMMAND
Serenity Frye
Doughboys
#34 - 2013-02-04 22:35:43 UTC
Jones Bones wrote:
This thread is now about the greatest leadership ANTI ever had...

FUSCHIA COMMAND


Bear
Yendaj
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
#35 - 2013-02-04 22:42:35 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Yendaj wrote:

So much for Mirrorgod turning ANTI into an actual incursion corporation. You lying pieces of crap!
Now to the replies from the actual members of ANTI
...



Also, drop the whole "MG/Yendaj" thing because we both know it to be bullshit.


-Liang



Pretty sure there is atleast 150-200 people every week in RvB Ganked roam that can.. to quote you so precisely "Provably"

beg to differ on you continuously making a fool of yourself trying to convince people I am Mirrorgod.

Your own CEO has flown with me in coms and Mirrorgod at the same time and acknowledges us as two different people.

Switch certainly can.....Cool

You are so busy ranting and raving and trying to rage your position of truth that you have completely lost sight of said "truth"

Next time you are logged in, lets have a little eve voice session to settle this once and for all.......

This is ofcourse to save you for the anuerism you are so close to having... I couldn't live with myself if you got hurt irl due to the massive stress you are asserting on your tiny mind.....Cry
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-02-04 22:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Yendaj wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Yendaj wrote:

So much for Mirrorgod turning ANTI into an actual incursion corporation. You lying pieces of crap!
Now to the replies from the actual members of ANTI
...



Also, drop the whole "MG/Yendaj" thing because we both know it to be bullshit.


-Liang



Pretty sure there is atleast 150-200 people every week in RvB Ganked roam that can.. to quote you so precisely "Provably"

beg to differ on you continuously making a fool of yourself trying to convince people I am Mirrorgod.

Your own CEO has flown with me in coms and Mirrorgod at the same time and acknowledges us as two different people.

Switch certainly can.....Cool

You are so busy ranting and raving and trying to rage your position of truth that you have completely lost sight of said "truth"

Next time you are logged in, lets have a little eve voice session to settle this once and for all.......

This is ofcourse to save you for the anuerism you are so close to having... I couldn't live with myself if you got hurt irl due to the massive stress you are asserting on your tiny mind.....Cry


You should really get in contact with the film industry.

Someone who can project this hard should be able to bring back all the drive-ins in the world single-handed. It'd be worth bank.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#37 - 2013-02-04 22:52:40 UTC
Jones Bones wrote:
This thread is now about the greatest leadership ANTI ever had...

FUSCHIA COMMAND


FUSCHIA!!!!

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Yendaj
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
#38 - 2013-02-04 22:54:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Yendaj
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:

Also, drop the whole "MG/Yendaj" thing because we both know it to be bullshit.


btw, switch has informed us of exactly who MG/Yendaj are.






We are all well aware of Switch's informing everyone of his real life issue with his own blood relative and why he has you all wound around his little finger... Master of all you puppets so he can continue to propel is own personal real life rage into game to get even with his cousin outside of game.

The gold in this, is that all of you are wasting so much energy worrying about personal attacks you can barely leave Amamake incase the big bad wolf craps in the corner while you aren't looking...

Oh wait.. most of you weren't capable of leaving your safety blanket in the first place unless Mirrorgod was leading the fleet Ugh
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#39 - 2013-02-04 22:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Yendaj wrote:
Switch certainly can.....Cool


Yeah I talked to a bunch of people about "you". Edit - No personal attacks - ISD Tyrozan. Lol

I do have to ask how Pass responded when he found out he lost that Loki? Lol

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#40 - 2013-02-04 23:00:07 UTC
Yendaj wrote:
Oh wait.. most of you weren't capable of leaving your safety blanket in the first place unless Mirrorgod was leading the fleet Ugh


I must have imagined chasing "you" around Metropolis last night and then giving up because you guys continually refused to engage and kept running away. I must have imagined eventually just incapping all the mods on your POS last night. Blink

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

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