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Ratters, warp out delay
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Titch Gunnarson
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-02-03 12:23:33 UTC
Ratters should have a warp out delay of 2 minutes before they can leave their anomaly,
It is unfair that when a cloakers (non afk) enters a system, he is unable to get his target as they always align out and can use local as their insta intel.

So;
1. Juicy fat hobbit Ratter aligns out
2. He sees me enter local
3. He hits warp

Expected result:
He has to wait 2 minutes before he can warp, a countdown is displayed
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-03 13:10:33 UTC
No they shouldn't. No one should. Game mechanics in general shouldn't discriminate against specific players in any situation. More importantly, since the problem is instant intel provided by local, the solution should address the actual problem instead of trying to patch up some of the symptoms it's causing.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#3 - 2013-02-03 13:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Seranova Farreach
indeed.
#1 remove local
#2 people use constiltion chat insted.
#3 for local info use Dscan.
#4 dont fly expencive ships just to give gankers yoru hard earned cash ;p.
problem solved.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-02-03 13:35:24 UTC
0/10. Sorry, this is a terrible troll thread.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-03 14:15:12 UTC
You are worse than an anti afk cloaking nullbear and you should feel bad for posting.
Mikhael Taron
Four Winds Industry
#6 - 2013-02-03 14:36:47 UTC
Titch Gunnarson wrote:
Ratters should have a warp out delay of 2 minutes before they can leave their anomaly,
It is unfair that when a cloakers (non afk) enters a system, he is unable to get his target as they always align out and can use local as their insta intel.

So;
1. Juicy fat hobbit Ratter aligns out
2. He sees me enter local
3. He hits warp

Expected result:
He has to wait 2 minutes before he can warp, a countdown is displayed


Ahhh.... wickle piwate fed up with seeing vanishing ratter arse? Tough! You want the game to play for you?

You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
Thutmose I
Rattium Incorporated
#7 - 2013-02-03 15:30:37 UTC
Titch Gunnarson wrote:
Ratters should have a warp out delay of 2 minutes before they can leave their anomaly,
It is unfair that when a cloakers (non afk) enters a system, he is unable to get his target as they always align out and can use local as their insta intel.

So;
1. Juicy fat hobbit Ratter aligns out
2. He sees me enter local
3. He hits warp

Expected result:
He has to wait 2 minutes before he can warp, a countdown is displayed


Anyone should have a 2 minute warp/jump delay after using a stargate. It is unfair that a person in a fast ship can jump into a gate camp and just warp off/crash gate if they see a gate camp on overview.

oh make it impossible to cloak in those 2 mins, as it is unfair that the cloaky can cloak and not get caught.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-02-03 16:01:41 UTC
All ships should have a two minute delay before they can activate their modules. Anytime anyone undocks, jumps througha gate or wormhole, or uses any cynos, they should be completely immobile, unable to cloak, use their guns or tank, or anything.

In fact, you know what, just make them explode instantly.

Now that I have that out of the way, what kind of idiot are you?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-03 22:51:09 UTC
The OP idea is too punishing for those who are ratting.


It was probably cleared up, but I'll just say this:
I think he is referring or asking more to the idea of warp drives actually having to "spool" before engaging warp -- so you can't just Insta-warp your arse out the moment local goes neut/red. At least having some time to for the player to reach - even if the aggressor has just been detected one system away. This is loosely the case if you're not aligned, but the reality shows it is that simple* to just GTFO with aligned warp or blunt logoffski.

There would have to be an intelligent mix of "no local" and "spooling warp drive" so that ratters in this case can't get away easily, but are also not just free killmails for epeen enlargements.

But there has to also be something for the ratter too. Just for balance sake. Be it more ISK while ratting or whatever, so he's not just a freebee.

Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.

Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-02-03 23:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Mommy, mommy, the target is moving! Make it stop, I want free kill, waaah!
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-02-03 23:03:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Shepard Wong Ogeko
I also want a area-of-effect doomsday.

The area size should cover all of New Eden, and w-space.

It should come free on rookie ships.





There, I just solved all your PvP problems.
colera deldios
#12 - 2013-02-03 23:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: colera deldios
This proposition is as pathetic as those of people who keep opening threads to change AFK cloacking mechanic beacuse they are pathetic little bitches. Learn to deal with it or persih.

What you are asking for is to be given kills for no effort which is stupid and discriminates against a massive group of players. This is the same as if someone would say:

Hey make it that when a neutral or red guy jumps in to my system he cant warp from the gate for 2 min. This proposition is stupid beyond reason. Learn to play and you will catch the ratters pathetic newbie instad of asking to be spoon fed kills for no effort at al. Idiot.



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#9 Posted: 2013.02.03 22:51 | Report
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The OP idea is too punishing for those who are ratting.


It was probably cleared up, but I'll just say this:
I think he is referring or asking more to the idea of warp drives actually having to "spool" before engaging warp -- so you can't just Insta-warp your arse out the moment local goes neut/red. At least having some time to for the player to reach - even if the aggressor has just been detected one system away. This is loosely the case if you're not aligned, but the reality shows it is that simple* to just GTFO with aligned warp or blunt logoffski.

There would have to be an intelligent mix of "no local" and "spooling warp drive" so that ratters in this case can't get away easily, but are also not just free killmails for epeen enlargements.

But there has to also be something for the ratter too. Just for balance sake. Be it more ISK while ratting or whatever, so he's not just a freebee.


That to is stupid. We cant remove local channel from know space because that would favor only one group of people and only one group of people would actually be risking anything here. No you have blackops use them or stop bitching if you dont want a Local channel go to WH space and you will see that in fact it changes nothing.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2013-02-04 02:06:49 UTC
sure if the ship that jumps into a system with other ppl in cannot decloak or move for two minutes.

the two of u can just look at each other in local, perhaps strike up conversation to pass the time. unless, of course, one of u is pretending to be AFK...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#14 - 2013-02-04 05:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Iminent Penance
remove local, remove cloaks (or add fuel cost, removing 99% of cloak utility). No more afk play, no more invincible carebears.

Tada. (please dont cry at me too hard cloaktards... for daring to try and appease BOTH sides instead of just one...)

edit... as for warpout. sure, have a 2 min delay, also have people who jump in system be anchored unable to activate mods uncloaked for 2 minutes. Now both sides are screwed, as balance is about....both sides... :3
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#15 - 2013-02-04 05:24:20 UTC
Dear Op

You fail at PvP.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-02-04 05:27:30 UTC
colera deldios wrote:
This proposition is as pathetic as those of people who keep opening threads to change AFK cloacking mechanic beacuse they are pathetic little bitches. Learn to deal with it or persih.

What you are asking for is to be given kills for no effort which is stupid and discriminates against a massive group of players. This is the same as if someone would say:

Hey make it that when a neutral or red guy jumps in to my system he cant warp from the gate for 2 min. This proposition is stupid beyond reason. Learn to play and you will catch the ratters pathetic newbie instad of asking to be spoon fed kills for no effort at al. Idiot.



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#9 Posted: 2013.02.03 22:51 | Report
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The OP idea is too punishing for those who are ratting.


It was probably cleared up, but I'll just say this:
I think he is referring or asking more to the idea of warp drives actually having to "spool" before engaging warp -- so you can't just Insta-warp your arse out the moment local goes neut/red. At least having some time to for the player to reach - even if the aggressor has just been detected one system away. This is loosely the case if you're not aligned, but the reality shows it is that simple* to just GTFO with aligned warp or blunt logoffski.

There would have to be an intelligent mix of "no local" and "spooling warp drive" so that ratters in this case can't get away easily, but are also not just free killmails for epeen enlargements.

But there has to also be something for the ratter too. Just for balance sake. Be it more ISK while ratting or whatever, so he's not just a freebee.


That to is stupid. We cant remove local channel from know space because that would favor only one group of people and only one group of people would actually be risking anything here. No you have blackops use them or stop bitching if you dont want a Local channel go to WH space and you will see that in fact it changes nothing.


I said mix. Whatever the OP meant is his thing. I myself know well enough about local, hence why I said mix. Personally, I don't care if local is here to stay or not, I'll catch other stuff that is actually in the game for action, not AI. Nonetheless, there are still a lot of people in Eve acting like topguns but are just mostly hiding AND doing the actual bitching.

And above all, frakk Local, I'd rather be for the slightly delayed/spooling of warp for all ships depending on mass/whatever. There just has to be a decent system behind it so not everybody is just doomed at the very first moment a baddie shows up. Perhaps one would have to introduce a chance based Warp-Disruptor feature alike the ECM mechanic, though somewhere that would bring tears - although I also thought somewhere people of the game are to be tough as nails as they always act like here in forums.

Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.

Luc Chastot
#17 - 2013-02-04 06:12:26 UTC
Did you hit your head? I think your brain dislodged.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Benjamin Artoriana
Porpoises with a Purpose
#18 - 2013-02-04 10:00:11 UTC
Titch Gunnarson wrote:
Ratters should have a warp out delay of 2 minutes before they can leave their anomaly,
It is unfair that when a cloakers (non afk) enters a system, he is unable to get his target as they always align out and can use local as their insta intel.

So;
1. Juicy fat hobbit Ratter aligns out
2. He sees me enter local
3. He hits warp

Expected result:
He has to wait 2 minutes before he can warp, a countdown is displayed


No. Full Stop.

Something, something, don't be an idiot. Blah, blah, I love EVE and goats.

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#19 - 2013-02-04 10:03:55 UTC
the fact that a guy doing anoms uses his brain to GTFO of dodge should not be penalized, Local used as instant intel tool however DOES need to be changed.
colera deldios
#20 - 2013-02-04 10:30:13 UTC
ITTigerClawIK wrote:
the fact that a guy doing anoms uses his brain to GTFO of dodge should not be penalized, Local used as instant intel tool however DOES need to be changed.


No not really. If you dont want local go to WH space. Not having a local channel is as stupid as what this guy proposed. It only benefits one set of people and discriminates against miners and people that pve. For 10 years good pvpers managed to catch people in anomalies, DED Plexes, Belts, Gates etc. So the problem is not Local channel and player intel channels. It you you are fail at pvp and thus, instead of fighting other pvpers you prefere to fight people who cant fight back and furthermore you want these kills to be spoon fed to you.

- Local channel stays in K-Space unchanged
- AFK Cloacking is not a problem or broken mechanic
- Any mechanics that spoon feeds you kills would break the game

Learn to pvp and stop bitching like so many others have done.