Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Give all electronic attack ships the covert ops cloak they obviously were originally supposed to have.

Look at the hole in Black Ops capable vessels: you have covops, (good scout, otherwise useless for PvP) the stealth bomber (poor versus frigates) and then we jump straight to the force recons (similar capabilities to the electronic attack ships in their range but far more expensive etc.)

Make electronic attack ships, widely ignored in most circles, something of a renaissance utility vessel for low and nullsec PvP.

How? Give them the cloak, (and the ability to black ops hotdrop.) Much fun frigate mayhem will ensue.

Life should be so good.

Always think offense not defense.

EVE favors the attacker not the defender.

Who cares about broken nullsec sov mechanics? They have been and will continue to be broken and pointless.

I am talking about pure PvP, clearly.

If this were true, why are they almost never used?

Mediocre dps?

How so? Since you want them like recons, they'd have decloak delay. Arazu can be tanked to live out its cooldown till it can work its magic. Keres can't.


I am not seeing people training cloak 5 to reduce this timer for an EAF. Hell, even casual recon pilots don't to it. I have only seen this 5 trained by the live for recon flying type players tbh. And even they hated the skill train.

So they fly in cloaked, pop cloak, and go boom to any ship cruiser and below sebo'd with speed script (possibly BC's as well).

Also not seeing ninjya op fc's going....all you falcon pilots go home, we got 4 foxes tonight so your services are not required. Even ghetto armour tank falcon is better than the fox crap tank for those few seconds its a sitting duck.

I like the idea, could give a role to this class of ships.

Exactly. EAFs are there for the crowd-control ablities. Damage is to be dealt by the other ships.


As for EAFs and Covert Ops Cloak... Tricky one.
A "light recon frigate" idea sounds cool, but the concerns about little Romulan Warbirds - with suddenly-EWAR than Plasma Torps - are worth worrying about.

Cloaked-warp is quite powerful, and while I love the idea, I'd have to give in and say that this should solely be a specialty for the current ships that have this available. There has to be some decisive changes in the game first so Covops cloaky EAFs don't cause extreme imbalance.


On the other hand, how about a minor counter-proposal on this cloak thing.
How about giving the EAFs an additional role bonus of "Cloak Targeting Delay removal + normal velocity while cloaked" -- so they can prowl on targets. They could not cloak-warp in, but cloaking immediately and decloaking later to perform their Ewar duty could give them that "first strike advantage".
Not being able to cloakwarp would at the very least be fair enough so the opposing side could see there's an EAF around.

So it is not too Romulan Warbird style. You'd still have Recons and SBs that could come in all sneaky-like.


Nobody will give a damn about what I am to say next, but I had hoped for a fast cloak/no targeting penalty for specific T1 frigs like Breacher, Condor, Kestrel and not-so-sure-about-Gallente-variant-here. Would have been a sort of light Stealth Fighter/Tackler. They would rely on missiles/rockets and tackling, but would have remained fragile.

While i get the reasoning behind it,, i do not pcarticularly care for cloaky e-war friggies. their high lock speed, and e-war makes thme highly viable in small groups of 4 or more, particularly to annoy E-war cruisers.

And since the lock speed makes them viable, I do not believe making them cloakie would make them much more viable (quite the opposite really).

The reason they are currently underused has more to do with the skill (rl piloting skill, not SP skill) required to fly one of these buggers properly, by the time someone gets the idea of how to use them, they are generally already in an E-war cruiser.

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