EVE General Discussion

Industry's not broken beyond repair but it needs some much needed fixes:

1. Remove Tech 2 BPOs
Nobody can compete with that guy that has an uber researched tech2 BPO and can produce stuff without the need for a pos, pos fuel, laboratories, invention jobs, datacores, a vast number of BPCs and other consumables. If you can compete, you will gain far less for a way greater effort. This removal is needed because players that have joined eve since 2006(?) can't obtain these tech2 BPOs via a game mechanic.

2. Ability to create a shopping list in-game
Please add this so we don't need to create a google docs spreadsheet with what we need to buy, etc. If it can be corporation shared that would be great.

3. Embargo
Let us see who we're selling, from whom are we buying. If we don't want to help a corporation/alliance, so be it.

4. Ability to buy/sell from a specific market order
The current mechanic allows bots to do the 0.01 isk games. You put the item up for sale at 100 million isk and some bot puts it in the next 5 seconds to 99.999999 million. If i want to buy from the 100 mil guy, let me do it.


EDIT from my 80 something post:
The UI needs an improvement, sure. But will some GUI make it worth your while to do industry?

The question really is, do you want to do industry and have an impact only on the market by driving prices up and down? Or do you want to bring some pvp into industry?

PvP in industry shouldn't be only for playing the 0.01 isk game, it should be about impacting other players based on their decisions. The butterfly effect should be greater. If CVA says that they will ally with some Caldari RP to further enslave the minmatar, some minmatar industry players might not want to sell their goods to CVA. It makes political decisions matter more.

The only driving factor in industry now is ISK and ISK alone. Does everyone want that, or are there some crazy few who want more?

What Kalle said.

1. They cannot build enough to impact the market.

2. So use one of the tools already out there.

3. Very very few 0.0 players handle high sec markets with an alt that is inside their corp.

4. Thats no excuse to make it easyer for RMT operations to do business.

You should check the prices and profits of inventing Claymores mate.

If by "make very little difference", you mean "completely controls a third of T2 items by selling below the production cost of an invented BPC", you're right. A good chunk of T2 cruisers, almost all T2 BC and a few T2 frigates, even produced at the best ME possible through invention, will result in a net less for the poor ****** who didnt got in the game early enough or simply wasnt lucky at that time.

300 tech 2 bpos with 300.000 subs.

That means there is 0.1% of privileged people. You can't catch up to them, you have no mechanic that even remotely lets you compete. Look at the corps that have tech 2 BPOs...they are spacerich...and what other resource is more important in eve than isk.

Tech2 BPOs are like technetium...except they can't be fought over if they are in a hisec station.

I like the embargo idea.

I know people use alts , but still you can block alts as well :)

Sure you can. Go to the Sell Orders forum and buy one. They're a pretty goddamn terrible way to make money.

For ~200b you can get something that'll make you ~20b profit/year. Or, with literally less effort, you can invest that 200b in fully collateralized loans (at 3%/month, which is low) to make 85b profit/year with no risk of the market upsetting on you.


T2 BPOs are trophys for industrialists with too much money on their hands.


By the way, the only markets where T2 BPOs set the price are ones where volume is so low that BPOs fill all of the demand. As soon as demand gets above that magic number, prices go up to reflect inventors cost to produce. Take Exp Cargohold IIs: 80% are built by T2 BPOs, and they're profitable for inventors to build (or were last I looked).

1. T2 bpo are fine as they are. Most of them are collector items not worth producing anyways....

2. Shopping list ingame, yes please, allow import/export from external application please... But you still need spreadsheets... :P
How ever i can see how this could be build by server and useing IGB javasript extensions allready....

3. Not that many 0.0 players play with higsec market, theres tons of good isk souces in 0.0

4. No need for this, it would be used by RMT people anyways, market works as intended allready. Did you loose a lot?

Also it is worth pointing out that most of the T2 BPO are no longer in the hands of the people that won them from the lottery, so the people with them had no advantage over you in acquiring them. If you think T2 BPO are too good go ahead and buy one, as others have already said they are a truly terrible investment for the most part.

I have done plenty of T2 production but I would never buy a T2 BPO.