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Possible Winter 2011 changes (Exact stats)

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Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2011-10-25 17:31:46 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Rees Noturana wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Hrm, only the Talos has drones. So the new BCs aren't meant for mission running. Twisted



I'd say those new BC have quick and brutal PvP written all over them. These are not the ships mission runners are looking for. I'm sure some will try but will end up salvaging their own wrecks.


Based on the stats in the paste I have to agree and I couldn't be happier. I mostly fly BCs in PvP and I couldn't be happier about this.

Face, meet Melt. Melt Face.

Twisted

This. I fly mostly Drakes and Canes in PvP, and each BC looks like CCP took each race's best PvP BC, gave it steroids in the high slots, and then set it free.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#82 - 2011-10-25 17:32:43 UTC
Thank god i am so bored at work and this is awesome

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#83 - 2011-10-25 17:33:50 UTC
If these leaks are real, they are likely not the final product, and there are still some things to come, like EAF/AF changes.

I do like the changes made so far, especially to destroyers, although I would like to see them in action before release.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2011-10-25 17:35:06 UTC
Probably not final, but movement in a surprisingly good direction. Shocked
Doddy
Excidium.
#85 - 2011-10-25 17:37:33 UTC
Even if this is just a brainstorming session in the office its a good sign.
stoicfaux
#86 - 2011-10-25 17:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Zagam wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Rees Noturana wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Hrm, only the Talos has drones. So the new BCs aren't meant for mission running. Twisted



I'd say those new BC have quick and brutal PvP written all over them. These are not the ships mission runners are looking for. I'm sure some will try but will end up salvaging their own wrecks.


Based on the stats in the paste I have to agree and I couldn't be happier. I mostly fly BCs in PvP and I couldn't be happier about this.

Face, meet Melt. Melt Face.

Twisted

This. I fly mostly Drakes and Canes in PvP, and each BC looks like CCP took each race's best PvP BC, gave it steroids in the high slots, and then set it free.


Yes, and no? A Torp Naga should clobber a Drake due to the Drake's large sig size. However, if the Drake pilot decides to fly a cruiser that day, the Torp Naga is going to be almost defenseless.

OTOH, getting double webbed by a blaster Talos is going to be bad...

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2011-10-25 17:39:43 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255701#post255701

Just going to chime in here, these stats are a 1st pass taken from a chaos build, it hasn't been balanced in any sense and it's going to change before they go out to TQ.

There will be a dev-blog with final stats before they hit TQ.

that should clear that up :)
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#88 - 2011-10-25 17:39:51 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
If these leaks are real, they are likely not the final product, and there are still some things to come, like EAF/AF changes.

I do like the changes made so far, especially to destroyers, although I would like to see them in action before release.


just removing the ROF penalty from dessies is not sufficient to "Fix dessies"

they also need their mid and low slot counts looked at - particularly mids.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Embrace My Hate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#89 - 2011-10-25 17:40:07 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Even if this is just a brainstorming session in the office its a good sign.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#90 - 2011-10-25 17:43:55 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255701#post255701

Just going to chime in here, these stats are a 1st pass taken from a chaos build, it hasn't been balanced in any sense and it's going to change before they go out to TQ.

There will be a dev-blog with final stats before they hit TQ.

that should clear that up :)



TY for link to blue reply.

It's nice to get confirmation that they are real. Even if they will likely change before release.
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2011-10-25 17:44:00 UTC
Denidil wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
If these leaks are real, they are likely not the final product, and there are still some things to come, like EAF/AF changes.

I do like the changes made so far, especially to destroyers, although I would like to see them in action before release.


just removing the ROF penalty from dessies is not sufficient to "Fix dessies"

they also need their mid and low slot counts looked at - particularly mids.

IMO, Destroyers are basically similar to honey badgers. They attack whatever they can, and don't care about anything else in the process, including likely death.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#92 - 2011-10-25 17:46:01 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Zagam wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Rees Noturana wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Hrm, only the Talos has drones. So the new BCs aren't meant for mission running. Twisted



I'd say those new BC have quick and brutal PvP written all over them. These are not the ships mission runners are looking for. I'm sure some will try but will end up salvaging their own wrecks.


Based on the stats in the paste I have to agree and I couldn't be happier. I mostly fly BCs in PvP and I couldn't be happier about this.

Face, meet Melt. Melt Face.

Twisted

This. I fly mostly Drakes and Canes in PvP, and each BC looks like CCP took each race's best PvP BC, gave it steroids in the high slots, and then set it free.


Yes, and no? A Torp Naga should clobber a Drake due to the Drake's large sig size. However, if the Drake pilot decides to fly a cruiser that day, the Torp Naga is going to be almost defenseless.

OTOH, getting double webbed by a blaster Talos is going to be bad...


Removing the sig penalties for T2 missiles helps the drake out quite a bit, the question is will it's tank last longer against the torps than the Naga will against the T2 missiles?

When (optimism) these changes get on Sisi...

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
White Tree
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2011-10-25 17:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: White Tree
Welp.

Former member of CSM6.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2011-10-25 17:50:27 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255701#post255701

Just going to chime in here, these stats are a 1st pass taken from a chaos build, it hasn't been balanced in any sense and it's going to change before they go out to TQ.

There will be a dev-blog with final stats before they hit TQ.

that should clear that up :)



I don't care if these are back of the napkin brainstorming, CCP is finally, finally paying attention and at the very least contemplating fixing things (like hybrids) that have been broken forever.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
The Crimson Invaider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#95 - 2011-10-25 17:51:32 UTC
After doing some maths on the changes they seem quite well balanced and bring things into line with other races equivalents more.
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2011-10-25 17:52:19 UTC
To me this is EVE-sex.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.
Michael Turate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2011-10-25 17:54:16 UTC
As others have said, even if this is a work in progress, it's an awesome work in progress and you guys are really starting to hit the ball out of the park again.

The point we have often made is that new content is not needed because there is already tons of awesome content in the game but a lot of it is largely obsolete (dessies, deimos, some AFs) because it hasn't been loved enough and has been left to gather dust.

This could be one of the most significant boosts to PVP within the game for ages if it all works out. There will be tons of new fits flying about and tons of new emergent tactics. Much ignored and long forgotten ships will be back on the field with a role to play and the new ships are going to be great too. It's going to bring EXCITEMENT back into the game (hell, I'm excited already!) and that is surely the best strategy I can think of to bring the game back into rude health.

Nice work!
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#98 - 2011-10-25 17:55:36 UTC
Data from early test builds is always very likely to change. But that's no reason not to discuss possibilities.

At some point soon we'll publish a dev blog to tell you what we're thinking and to get feedback from you.

Eventually some version of these stats will also make its way to SiSi for you to test and play around with.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#99 - 2011-10-25 17:56:00 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Welp.


care to expand on that?

or will we have to wait until you tell CCP what we collectively think about it, and CCP tells us what you told them that we think about it?
InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2011-10-25 17:56:35 UTC
cap usage on hybrids is way down, so are fitting requirements. Gal ships get slight speed and agility boosts.

this is special indeed.