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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#361 - 2013-01-29 01:24:39 UTC
Agent Trask wrote:
Ckra Trald wrote:
Fly a skiff?


Skiffs are not gank proof.

They just require more pilots. Since Skiffs are spendy t2 ORE ships, our ISK efficiency still stays positive.

Flying a Skiff, and not verbally sparring with Knights will make it unlikely you are ganked, when there are Macks to be nuked, yes.

Having a Permit tank, the URL and support in your Bio, and greeting Knights in local with a cheery wave will make your Skiff utterly immune to New Order Knight enforcement actions.



Permit Tank is the Best Tank.


It's guaranteed to work against even the biggest blobs

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Enoch Schereau
Bird-in-Hand
#362 - 2013-02-01 11:42:48 UTC
High Sec apparently ISN'T worth fighting for, because the New Order is really a fraud. I have sat out there in my procurer, hour upon hour, day upon day, my keyboard locked in a hermetically sealed chamber on the far side of the moon, out of my reach, and do they come and bump me? No. Do they come to gank me? No. They ignore my procurer and instead just go and kill Macks. Or even worse, they kill no one, leaving my system completely open. I say this is false advertising!

If they were REALLY serious about "fighting for hi sec" they would be ganking heavily tanked procurers, and eating the massive isk loss that they would then endure. Because after all, a true fight takes sacrifice. But no... they only go for the big, shiny killmails and instead ignore the real fight.

Until they take out heavily tanked procurers on a regular basis, they are nothing but frauds.
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#363 - 2013-02-01 12:51:27 UTC
Theron Dashto wrote:
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
The entitlement mentality of petition-happy miners is unreasonable, because they do not understand what it means to play in EVE's multiplayer 'sandbox' environment - you can try to play the way you like, and others can try to interrupt your play.


I'm curious. Why don't the minerbumpers try to interrupt the play of miners in low-sec?

It's okay, you don't really have to answer. We all know why.


That awkward moment where you didn't read the bit of James315's title which said Hisec?

Kill it with Fire!

Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2013-02-01 14:30:18 UTC
Enoch Schereau wrote:
High Sec apparently ISN'T worth fighting for, because the New Order is really a fraud. I have sat out there in my procurer, hour upon hour, day upon day, my keyboard locked in a hermetically sealed chamber on the far side of the moon, out of my reach, and do they come and bump me? No. Do they come to gank me? No. They ignore my procurer and instead just go and kill Macks. Or even worse, they kill no one, leaving my system completely open. I say this is false advertising!

If they were REALLY serious about "fighting for hi sec" they would be ganking heavily tanked procurers, and eating the massive isk loss that they would then endure. Because after all, a true fight takes sacrifice. But no... they only go for the big, shiny killmails and instead ignore the real fight.

Until they take out heavily tanked procurers on a regular basis, they are nothing but frauds.

I believe you have a different definition of fraud than most people.

Could you please define how you are using the term fraud?

In the meantime, I invite you read www.minerbumping.com so you can read how the New Order of Highsec is accomplishing exactly what it says it does. For most of the world that means that what it does is not fraudulent.

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#365 - 2013-02-01 17:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Enoch Schereau wrote:
High Sec apparently ISN'T worth fighting for, because the New Order is really a fraud. I have sat out there in my procurer, hour upon hour, day upon day, my keyboard locked in a hermetically sealed chamber on the far side of the moon, out of my reach, and do they come and bump me? No. Do they come to gank me? No. They ignore my procurer and instead just go and kill Macks. Or even worse, they kill no one, leaving my system completely open. I say this is false advertising!

If they were REALLY serious about "fighting for hi sec" they would be ganking heavily tanked procurers, and eating the massive isk loss that they would then endure. Because after all, a true fight takes sacrifice. But no... they only go for the big, shiny killmails and instead ignore the real fight.

Until they take out heavily tanked procurers on a regular basis, they are nothing but frauds.


You're flying a procurer surrounded by mackinaws? That's like being the nasty, crusty burned french fry at the bottom of the bag.
Enoch Schereau
Bird-in-Hand
#366 - 2013-02-01 22:32:42 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:
High Sec apparently ISN'T worth fighting for, because the New Order is really a fraud. I have sat out there in my procurer, hour upon hour, day upon day, my keyboard locked in a hermetically sealed chamber on the far side of the moon, out of my reach, and do they come and bump me? No. Do they come to gank me? No. They ignore my procurer and instead just go and kill Macks. Or even worse, they kill no one, leaving my system completely open. I say this is false advertising!

If they were REALLY serious about "fighting for hi sec" they would be ganking heavily tanked procurers, and eating the massive isk loss that they would then endure. Because after all, a true fight takes sacrifice. But no... they only go for the big, shiny killmails and instead ignore the real fight.

Until they take out heavily tanked procurers on a regular basis, they are nothing but frauds.


You're flying a procurer surrounded by mackinaws? That's like being the nasty, crusty burned french fry at the bottom of the bag.


Even when there are no macks, just my proc, still, nothing. And this despite paying no fee, showing no fealty to the cult, and unabashedly having my keyboard encased in ice, then laminated in plastic, wrapped in a straight jacket, then dropped into the bottom of a pool of acid filled with killer sharks.
Enoch Schereau
Bird-in-Hand
#367 - 2013-02-01 22:35:35 UTC
Agent Eunoli wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:
High Sec apparently ISN'T worth fighting for, because the New Order is really a fraud. I have sat out there in my procurer, hour upon hour, day upon day, my keyboard locked in a hermetically sealed chamber on the far side of the moon, out of my reach, and do they come and bump me? No. Do they come to gank me? No. They ignore my procurer and instead just go and kill Macks. Or even worse, they kill no one, leaving my system completely open. I say this is false advertising!

If they were REALLY serious about "fighting for hi sec" they would be ganking heavily tanked procurers, and eating the massive isk loss that they would then endure. Because after all, a true fight takes sacrifice. But no... they only go for the big, shiny killmails and instead ignore the real fight.

Until they take out heavily tanked procurers on a regular basis, they are nothing but frauds.

I believe you have a different definition of fraud than most people.

Could you please define how you are using the term fraud?

In the meantime, I invite you read www.minerbumping.com so you can read how the New Order of Highsec is accomplishing exactly what it says it does. For most of the world that means that what it does is not fraudulent.


I use the term "fraud" in its normal, common-sense meaning. As in, James 315 has promised that if you mine afk with no permit in their space, you will be bumped or ganked or both. And instead, I fly my proc, no permit, no keyboard in sight, and nary a bumper or ganker to be seen. Even when the cult-bots from James 315 are buzzing about the system, so clearly they know I am there, they still do ... nothing.

So... Fraud!

And no, nothing in your silly cult-document says anything about you exempting heavily tanked procurers from consideration.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#368 - 2013-02-01 22:48:51 UTC
Enoch Schereau wrote:

And no, nothing in your silly cult-document says anything about you exempting heavily tanked procurers from consideration.


A heavily tanked Procuror is not exempt, it's merely an unattractive target.

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Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#369 - 2013-02-02 00:12:40 UTC
Enoch Schereau wrote:

I use the term "fraud" in its normal, common-sense meaning. As in, James 315 has promised that if you mine afk with no permit in their space, you will be bumped or ganked or both. And instead, I fly my proc, no permit, no keyboard in sight, and nary a bumper or ganker to be seen. Even when the cult-bots from James 315 are buzzing about the system, so clearly they know I am there, they still do ... nothing.

So... Fraud!

And no, nothing in your silly cult-document says anything about you exempting heavily tanked procurers from consideration.

So... nothing.

Here's the relevant quote taken directly from the Code:

Code wrote:

Consider that I cannot bump all miners simultaneously. Since many miners will not have purchased their indulgences, I will usually have more than one miner whom I could choose to bump. So how should I prioritize? Again, the Code provides the answer. Those who consistently violate the Code will be at increased risk of bumping. Moreover, to ensure the New Order community lives up to my expectations, those who already have purchased indulgences may forfeit their place of honour if they violate the Code.


The Code clearly states and outlines that not everyone can be bumped simultaneously so, instead, it lays out a clearly defined process of priority.

I realize that you appear to believe that James 315 is an amazing and heroic figure. In many ways I share this view but to hold him in such high esteem as to attribute super human abilities to him is... a bit much. James 315 is a great man. An amazing man. Yet, he is still a man.

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Enoch Schereau
Bird-in-Hand
#370 - 2013-02-02 01:20:38 UTC
Agent Eunoli wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:

I use the term "fraud" in its normal, common-sense meaning. As in, James 315 has promised that if you mine afk with no permit in their space, you will be bumped or ganked or both. And instead, I fly my proc, no permit, no keyboard in sight, and nary a bumper or ganker to be seen. Even when the cult-bots from James 315 are buzzing about the system, so clearly they know I am there, they still do ... nothing.

So... Fraud!

And no, nothing in your silly cult-document says anything about you exempting heavily tanked procurers from consideration.

So... nothing.

Here's the relevant quote taken directly from the Code:

Code wrote:

Consider that I cannot bump all miners simultaneously. Since many miners will not have purchased their indulgences, I will usually have more than one miner whom I could choose to bump. So how should I prioritize? Again, the Code provides the answer. Those who consistently violate the Code will be at increased risk of bumping. Moreover, to ensure the New Order community lives up to my expectations, those who already have purchased indulgences may forfeit their place of honour if they violate the Code.


The Code clearly states and outlines that not everyone can be bumped simultaneously so, instead, it lays out a clearly defined process of priority.

I realize that you appear to believe that James 315 is an amazing and heroic figure. In many ways I share this view but to hold him in such high esteem as to attribute super human abilities to him is... a bit much. James 315 is a great man. An amazing man. Yet, he is still a man.


I do believe other modifiers would be more appropriate.

I afk mine without a permit, by myself, in space thick with cultists such as yourself, and... nothing. So apparently what you are telling me, it isn't that the cultists are impotent - they are just incomptent. I got it.

Well, back to the afk, permitless mining! I think I'll encase my keyboard in cement this time and dump it into the ocean!
Enoch Schereau
Bird-in-Hand
#371 - 2013-02-02 01:22:21 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:

And no, nothing in your silly cult-document says anything about you exempting heavily tanked procurers from consideration.


A heavily tanked Procuror is not exempt, it's merely an unattractive target.


Apparently it is a non-target, as I have never seen a heavily tanked procurer so much as targeted by the cultists. So really, they aren't serious. Because how can they move on to new sectors when they don't even bother to clear the old ones they've been in for weeks.

They just simply don't have any real heart or committment to fight for high sec. Like I said before. Frauds.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#372 - 2013-02-02 12:16:10 UTC
I think you got the jist of it Enoch. They just want the easy, high isk targets; just like any other players that have done suicide ganking in the past. Nothing really special about them.
Agent Trask
Doomheim
#373 - 2013-02-02 17:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Trask
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:

And no, nothing in your silly cult-document says anything about you exempting heavily tanked procurers from consideration.


A heavily tanked Procuror is not exempt, it's merely an unattractive target.


Being the cheapest tanky target, and staying aligned will probably mean we will kill him last.

Unless he wants to ascend to the top of the gank list by mouthing off like a Goofus the Loud in local. Many a Retriever and Proc have has earned enforcement actions by publicly begging us for them. We are happy to deliver.


( thank you for the correction, Estella Osoka )

Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.

www.minerbumping.com
Marlon Darmazaf
e-L00T Ltd.
#374 - 2013-02-03 03:31:41 UTC
Typical cost per month of university social sciences degree: Ridiculous

EVE Online monthly subscription cost: $14.99

So... um... yeah!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#375 - 2013-02-03 06:03:39 UTC
Marlon Darmazaf wrote:
Typical cost per month of university social sciences degree: Ridiculous

EVE Online monthly subscription cost: $14.99


1 looks better on a resume (accent agui above the e Blink)

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#376 - 2013-02-03 14:08:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
Agent Trask wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:

And no, nothing in your silly cult-document says anything about you exempting heavily tanked procurers from consideration.


A heavily tanked Procuror is not exempt, it's merely an unattractive target.


Being the cheapest tanky target, and staying aligned will probably mean we will kill him last.

Unless he wants to ascend to the top of the gank list by mouthing off like a Goofus the Loud in local. Many a Retriever and Proc have earned enforcement actions by publicly begging us for them. We are happy to deliver.


You've killed Procurers? Killmail or it didn't happen.
Marlon Darmazaf
e-L00T Ltd.
#377 - 2013-02-03 17:54:57 UTC
Quote:
1 looks better on a resume (accent agui above the e Blink)


Your point is valid. But I wouldn't take psychology or any other of its ilk. In my line of work, it would serve as little more than filler on a resume. The understanding of human behavior (which is endlessly compelling) is the real reason I would take a social sciences class. In the end, EVE suits that purpose grandly. Blink

So... um... yeah!
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#378 - 2013-02-04 21:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Intar Medris
In reply to the OP. I don't ever mine AFK. I'll sit there happily shooting rocks with lasers for hours. Filling up a Orca 4-5 times with nothing but Pryroxeres. In fact I have trained my mining skills all I care too. Working on my PVP skills now. In 68 days I will be able to completely fit a Mimmatar BS with T2 fittings. Unlike most miners I don't run away from a fight. I gladly welcome them . I make 150 mil a day mining in high sec. Got plenty of ISK to cover any losses I may incur PVP. Miner yes... Carebear no.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#379 - 2013-02-04 22:00:22 UTC
Hisec has a simple democracy, One Man One Vote. James 315 is the Man, he has the Vote

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Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#380 - 2013-02-05 04:51:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Hisec has a simple democracy, One Man One Vote. James 315 is the Man, he has the Vote



Him and what army. I have seen corps try and pull **** like this before they didn't last long before they were run off. Despite all the all gankers out there I have never lost a single Hulk to one. 3 Hulkegeddons 2 Two toons and 3 years. Really you guys fuss and fuss low sec PVP is all but dead. Yet you waste all your time shooting ships that can't shoot back in high sec. You war dec a PVE corp then run like bitches when they pull out decently fit PVP ships. Seriously if you guys were hard core PVP you wouldn't be wasting your time high sec or turning Null Sec into a EVE version of Barney. Low sec and Null sec problems aren't with the mechanics it's with the losers that call themselves PVPers. Hell the vast majority of you likely have a PVE alt anyhow.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.