EVE General Discussion

I'm sitting here typing like mad on occasion and it dawned on me. Only a fraction of the game population uses the forums for various personal reasons and is only logical that CCP not use the forums to make drastic game changes.

And today there was a post in which I had pretty good reasons to reply to but a part of me deep down inside thought "It's not really going to make a difference. CCP isn't going to read my opponents or my post and say: WE NEED TO DO THAT ASAP!"

Can anyone point to any change in EvE that was directly caused by whining, debate, or logical thesis put forward by a forum poster?

Or are we will just verbaly abusing each other because we have a false hope that by doing so CCP will listen to us and magically come to the conclusion that we are right and everyone else is wrong and that they will make changes that will drastically affect large portions of the player base because we as a individual feel that it is right.

Where do we get off on such a world view?

I legitimately want examples so I feel that my efforts are not in vain.

Discuss.

I once cited that as an example of CCP being in favor of hi-sec lifestyle because they were afraid of sub loss, and was told by other forum posters that they were planning the changes to mining barges anyways before hulkageddon.

How do we know it was forum posts and not petitions plus the cancelation reaons people give?

Did CCP come out and say "Because of the threadnaught, we have decided to give in to your demands!" Can you post a link to that post?

If that is the case why don't they buff null-sec with all the threadnaughts created on it.

oh those other forum posters were also bads

So does that mean CCP supports hi-sec activities because it fears subscription loss?

I mean if CCP wasn't afraid of all those miners on the forums were going to quit, then there was no need to make the barge change?

And if that is true does it really mean that CCP supports the hi-sec, carebear, NPC corp lifestyle?

Obviously, if the forum rage got CCP to make the change, then the gankers obviously did not make much of a counter argument in the numbers needed to cancel out the vote so to say.

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In that respect... Would you threaten to quit if CCP made the game too carebear in hisec or would you just keep playing in low/null??

At one point EVE was much harsher then it was at present. Endless whines by carebears have resulted in increasing safety and bad carebear-oriented expansions introduced with no corroborating boosts in subscription numbers. Likewise, forum complaints convinced CCP to needlessly buff barges in the face of 'mass unsubs' which never happened and never materialized. Clearly, forum complaints are a powerful tool because they are able to convince CCP of things that are plainly untrue, like the "carebear dollar" myth. After Incarna hit the floor, CCP had truth forced upon it and since then it has been updating PVP ships and mechanics (like bounty system, crimewatch and wardecs). The important thing is to continue to expunge the 'carebear dollar' myth from CCP's heads to keep them from being manipulated by selfish gold farmers from inadvertantly destroying EVE with their risk-adverse greed.

I leave that sort of behavior for those who would lie for self-benefit.

As the sole factor? Unlikely. Usually forums are used to get some insight on some of the views of the playerbase and they use other things to make a final determination. People like blaming whatever they can for changes they don't like or if they don't get what they want, but this really is something that's a middle ground thing.

So do you believe if you keep posting on the forums that CCP will listen to you or do you feel doomed to be droned out the carebears in the end?

One comment I'd like to make is that it does seem that EvE is at least sustaining its subscription numbers. It has a pretty healthy 50,000 players during peak times during the weekends. Ore prices are up showing that players are churning through ships through some sort of PvP (or bad PvE). From a personal perspective I don't feel that EvE is in danger of going the way of Star Wars Galaxies anytime soon.

No. You can now stop posting, leave the forum and never return. These are not the droids you are looking for.

*waves hand*

CCP read the forums, whether they do anything, that ultimately depends on how many people cry for change and how many people cry agaist the proposed change.

The forums are all about tear generation, the side that produces the most tears wins