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Sleipnirs - Good or bad?
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Leetha Layne
#41 - 2013-02-03 00:49:32 UTC
Sure hope they don't do to it what they are planning with the Cyclone!
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#42 - 2013-02-03 01:57:31 UTC
Leetha Layne wrote:
Sure hope they don't do to it what they are planning with the Cyclone!


I'm not sure i'd really care. As long as the give it a double 5% damage bonus and missile velocity bonus (and more CPU to reflect it being a shield tanking missile boat) we can basically use it like we use it now, except we wont loose dps to tracking at close range.

In regards to a few questions:

1) If its awesome, why does no one fly it?
a) They do fly it, but it's not a nano-ship, nor is it viable to use a 100mn AB on (agility sucks or speed sucks or DPS suck or tank sucks and sig is huge) so it is for all intents and purposes a brawler. Brawling is situational and means you are committed to a fight. If a blob lands on the other side of the gate, then you are committed to being killed.

2) Faction versus dual-ASB.
a) Sorry, dual ASB always wins. You have to run a cap booster constantly to sustain a LSB tank, and with an X-LSB you can't run it permanently... so like it or not, you are still burst tanking, and even with the best module management in the world, you are still cap reliant.

With my skills on the fit i posted + Blue pill + LG Crystals (which are cheap atm), i tank 1850 DPS with 1 ASB overheated (which is normal) and 2000dps with the LSE II overheated. If i turn on the other booster thats 4000 DPS burst tank. i couold drop a few hundred DPS tank and get another gyrostab on it, but it's preference.

I've 1v1'd a vindicator with it and tanked him til i ran out of cap boosters. Remote rep was the only thing stopping him dieing, which was quickly realized and allowed me to de-agress.

Sleipnir costs less than a pirate cruiser and has such amazing fitting that you don't NEED to faction fit it... so realistically it's a T2/Meta4 fit ship that can tank and kill faction fit pirate ships through a combination of strengths without any massive weakness (admittedly with no best-in-class traits either).

If minmatar are going to be the 'jack of all trades' then this ship is the template on how to achieve it. Rifter/Stabber are NOT.
Alexander Sinclair
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-02-03 02:17:35 UTC
Leetha Layne wrote:
Sure hope they don't do to it what they are planning with the Cyclone!



Tech 2 Ships (I just checked the Caldari CS's in comparison to the Ferox) don't always have same tech 1 bonus as there tech 1 ship.
Doomhammar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-02-03 14:11:38 UTC
TY for everyone contributing to the discussion, that gave me 2 kills as of this moment with a sleipnir, hopefully that result will improve dramatically. one thing i'm not yet closed on is this - 425's or 220? warp distruptor or warp scram? DPS certainly rocks in 425 and so is range. and i'm incline to remain in that due to the sleipnir setup(bought it with tech2 ancilliary router, waste to let that go).
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#45 - 2013-02-03 14:41:04 UTC
Doomhammar wrote:
TY for everyone contributing to the discussion, that gave me 2 kills as of this moment with a sleipnir, hopefully that result will improve dramatically. one thing i'm not yet closed on is this - 425's or 220? warp distruptor or warp scram? DPS certainly rocks in 425 and so is range. and i'm incline to remain in that due to the sleipnir setup(bought it with tech2 ancilliary router, waste to let that go).


Without a web you really should think about a scram. a 24km point isn't going to help if something is faster than you - it's best to have the option of shutting of an MWD if you get close. 24km points are for people who kite generally, a scram will server you better imo.
Doomhammar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-02-03 15:52:12 UTC
But can i stick with 425, or its preferable to downgrade to 220?
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#47 - 2013-02-03 16:28:46 UTC
Doomhammar wrote:
But can i stick with 425, or its preferable to downgrade to 220?


There is no right answer. Although generally i think i'd prefer 220's and a medium neut to get pesky AB frigates if i get caught off-gate/station.

That doesnt mean i wouldnt take 425's and a neut if i could manage it.
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-02-04 09:08:07 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Doomhammar wrote:
But can i stick with 425, or its preferable to downgrade to 220?


There is no right answer. Although generally i think i'd prefer 220's and a medium neut to get pesky AB frigates if i get caught off-gate/station.

That doesnt mean i wouldnt take 425's and a neut if i could manage it.


I fit 425mm's and a medium neut. But, as I said, I go for single X-ASB and double invul + anti-kinetic rig.

I don't fly this thing solo, so I don't "overbrick" it and use its reputation as a sort of tank, too Lol Never gets primaried.
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#49 - 2013-02-04 20:50:49 UTC
Sala Kyss wrote:
The sleipnir is a point blank to mid range brawler. It can move amazingly fast, pumps out around 650-700 DPS, and has a tank that would make every other BC jealous

Auto's on it with ASB's and you can wreck pretty much everything. Obviously you can't out-snipe them, but put your sleip at point blank range on any of the t3 bc hulls and they're ******. Their tank vs sleip's tank, and their dps vs sleip's dps, the sleip will win every time

ASB's are amazing with the sleip's bonus, use them.

^^ This, and why am i not surprised this assinine statement that sleips are bad came from a GA member, seriously leave your corp/alliance and join people that can be of help rather than a hinderance. Ugh

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