Warfare & Tactics

we got the medal no amount of shitposting and tears will change that now .....


cat how do i block comments?

Wow, the irony of that last line is so thick I could be choking on it. You might as well stop shitting up every FW related tread with the same complaints every day, IT.WILL.CHANGE.NOTHING.

FEDEF players earned their medal playing the game and fighting, it was not won solely through the efforts of carebear plex-farmers as you keep claiming. That is an undisputable, objective fact. The proof of this has even been posted in this very tread.

I'm sorry that you are this bitter and annoyed with the system, but it will not change to what you want. So long as there is even a small reward to gain for playing FW, there will be those gaming the system purely for LP/ISK rewards, objectives and combat be damned. This will never change. Plex farmers will keep aiming for the maximum reward-ratio by constantly changing what militia get the most 'help' based on who is doing how well and the relative rewards of the LP's offered. Once faction A's LP's have been over-saturated the farmers will leave for Faction B and repeat the sycle until theirs are over-saturated and people stop buying THEIR stuff off the market.

This is simple economics 101. No complaining from you will change this. Your proposed idea of adding a warning for opened complexes will not change this.

About the single change that could be made to FW right now to make it even a bit harder on the farmers and not to unfair to the actual, honest-to-god PVP'ers, is to add the proposed count-down timer mechanic to add some consequenses to abandoning complexes.

And that's it. That is the sole remaining obvious buff to FW that will not make the farming easier nor punish the honest 'battle-seekers' in the militias. EVERYTHING ELSE is down to players, to organize their militias and deal with their situations themselves.

The sooner you accept this, deal with farmers in-game, and stop making a complete and total tool of yourself we will all be better off. And the sooner you stop being so angry that the FEDEF *EARNED* their shiny piece of pixels for playing this game how they want to, the sooner this mockery of a discussion can end.

So please. Man up, suck it down, and deal. Everyone has to. Even you.

Oh my, if he's coming up with comic genius like that maybe I should unblock him for a day or two.

It's ok. No one even wants to take your medal.


Perhaps now that you know that, you won't be so upset.

U do realise that only a few plexes ever spawned a day bk then dont you and a certain finish player would either cloak alts or log off in there and then force it so no other plexes would spawn? do u even know the history of what u are talking about?

Same Chatgris spdr just recoded there best month ever ontop of coming close to our record last month too. Not bad to say pvp is supposedly dead and this is a carebear race

No one said pvp is dead. But the sov war does appear to be more of a carebear race than it was in 2009.

If plexing was made into more of a pvp game, then we should expect to see more kills per plex captured. The facts show the opposite occurred.

I do not agree.

My general argument is
- Plexes were not closed as often
- There were less plexes
- A ton of pvp just happenned away from plexes

Add all that up, and you'll get far more kills per plex capture under the old system.

Back when plexes were a rare thing to see, it wasn't unheard of to leave a minor uncaptured for hours just to have the fun of pvping in the size restricted plex. "Get off the button! They'll come for more pvp" was a common refrain, because once the minor was done, well the fun arena was gone.

Far more fleet fights occurred back then that completely ignored plexes. General militia battleship fleets were a common occurrence. People would sit on gates for an hour trying to get the other side to jump in.

Now, the vast majority of my kills come around plexes themselves, and not out in space as it used to be. We can't prove why, but my opinion is it's because.

a) There are more plexes, you can always find the right size nearby and wait for some fun
b) The caldari/minmatar rats no longer bbq the poor soul who tries to enter
c) The rewards for the plexes get people running them. Unlike missions where you where like "sorry, I can't pvp now I am in a cloaky gila/ishtar trying to make some ISK" it keeps more people in space in size restricted arenas in pvp ships. And since the rat nerf, there's still stabbed farmers, but less of them in my personal experience.

I think FW is healthier than it ever was, and I do attribute it largely to the improved plexing mechanics.

That latter, is not a "fact" you can back up with anything but speculation.




It doesn't matter how many plexes it takes to flip a system. If plexing was a pvp mechanic we should see the number of kills per plex increase not decrease dramatically.



That last fact explains the first 2 facts more than anything to make plexing involve more pvp. And that last fact is explained by the crazy amounts of isk ccp through at fw.



I'm far from the minority in thinking that the current sov mechanics are a carebear race. But whatever, keep having alts orbit buttons in your empty frigate hulls and thinking thats pvp.

The irony is hilarious, you know that? As is your predictably juvenile attempts to insult me by insisting that I am

- an alt
- under age
- emotionally distressed by your retord

You are - again ironically - the one who refuse to listen to what people have to say and ignore or dismiss any claim that don't help your arguments. You are the one who refuse to try and refute what I have written and ignore my advice out of hand - and that's fine, no-one says advice has to be followed - instead of offering counter-arguments of your own.

Reading the rest of this tread I think it's clear by now that anyone of us, even a CCP employee, can come here and try to point out the facts to you, you will dismiss it in favor of - big surprise - more whining.



And this pretty much proves it. How many people have to show up and tell you how it was before the changes were made, before you get it? How many have to point out that they get considerably more action in FW now than ever before? How many have to inform you that more poeople, more combat, more exploded ships, more engagements in plexes and so on means that the system works far better?

How many times do people have to remind you they are out there FIGHTING before you stop saying they only orbit buttons with their 'empty frigate hulls' before you start entertaining the idea that you might be wrong?

I don't know, and at this point I don't care. I don't think anyone deserve to be this bitter with the system, this distrought, so I've tried to point out why things are not as horribly bad as you think, and what I have in return from that is hilarious levels of dis-respect, ridicule and pitiful tries at insults.

That's fine though. If mindlessly whining on forums about FW and defying any argument that don't support your ideas is what you love to do and pay for, I will not try to disuade you anymore. I have other things I could be doing, after all. By all means, enjoy yourself, I will waste no more of my time on you, and to ensure that, I will add you to my block list. Le'ts go separate ways.

Killboards don't lie. Number of kills by FW pilots are rising every month.

Must suck to be a FW naysayer these days.