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How to beat drones in Magnetometric sites??
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Howard Saint
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-25 08:16:12 UTC
Hey.

Recently i have started scanning and explore more and more for fun.

Yesterday i found 1 Magnetometric site in Blood Raider space. I googled it and got info about the NPC´s guarding it and it turns out its Rogue Drones.
I had just invesed new modules for my Tengu to be used in exploration so i said hey lets take it out for a spin.

I warp in and start attacking the small web/scram drones with my 5 T2 HM launchers with Scourge Fury and 1 TP.

I do 14-20 dmg each volley to them ^^ I have to reload 1 time before i get the first frig size drone down. The BS sized took even longer to kill..
Cruiser size i could kill with "just" 30 missiles or so.
I do soo much more dmg to small targets with my CruiseMissiles on a BS that with my HM Tengu..

And yes i only had 5 launchers and not 6 that is max on a tengu? but stil i should be able to kill something?

I have 500something dps on papper

I had to give up the site after 20min cuz i couldnt kill the spawns in time before i got overwhelmed. What?
What am i doing wrong??
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-25 08:31:19 UTC
Fight fire with fire. Hobgoblins make short work of them. But on a Tengu you'd have to fit a different offensive subsystem. You might be better using a different ship.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#3 - 2011-10-25 08:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: McRoll
Sounds like you are missing some important missile support skills like Target Navigation Prediction or bad Tengu skills coupled together with wrong rigs and T2 heavy missiles maybe (they have a bad explosion velocity).

Provide your skills and fit so we can help.

Edit: nvm, just read that you are using Fury. Try Precision Heavy Missiles, they do more damage on small targets or normal heavies. Also, you can use Rigor and Flare rigs on the Tengu, they improve the explosion velocity and reduce the negative impact of the target's speed on your damage.

Also, kinetic is not the best damage type to shoot at drones, experiment with EM maybe, even if you are losing the damage bonus.
Howard Saint
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-25 09:49:46 UTC
Yes Hobgoblins would be great but i rly want to get my Tengu to work in Exploration...

I have all subsystem skills on 5
Missile support skills are on 4 or 5.
Heavy Missile Spez on 4
Target Painting skills on 4 or 5

Overall i have all related skills on 4or 5.


Im not home atm so i have to give the fit out of memory so might be a bit incomplete but gonna try to get the relevant info.

Low: 3 BCUII

Med:
Target Painter II
Afterburner II
Codebreaker I
Rest tank related all T2

High:
5 Heavy Missile launchers T2 + Scourge fury (T2 missiles kinetic)

Rigs:
Anti EM
2 Shield Expanders

I use the offensive subsystem that gives bonus to Kinetic Damage.
I have some were 490-530 dps in EFT

Hope this helps.
Howard Saint
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-25 09:58:16 UTC
Im gonna try different dmg types tonight if i get in the same situation cuz i did as ****** damage to BS size Targets as to Frig Size so probably a dmg type problem....


Stil im suprised how bad the Tengu preformed dps wise.
Din'stalor Alaric
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-25 11:19:07 UTC
Am i right in thinking your 6th high slot is reserved for a cloak?
Also, ishtar is your friend.

Solo 4 Life.1v1 always honored, flying without booster alt since Oct 2010. No ransoms honored even if offered :)
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#7 - 2011-10-25 11:26:55 UTC
As stated, but you seem to have missed it, stop using Fury missiles and the problem goes away.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Howard Saint
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-25 11:27:39 UTC
Din'stalor Alaric wrote:
Am i right in thinking your 6th high slot is reserved for a cloak?
Also, ishtar is your friend.




No Actually i have 1 expanded probeLauncher and 1 Salvager.


Mby I should have been more clear in my top post.


The whole reason with my Tengu is to be a Decent explorer. Aka be able to scan, salvage, analyze and defend itself from spawns in Radar/Mag sites.

First i used a Buzzard to scan systems and then go home and get a drake to clear it. I alrdy had a Tengu sitting in a station for no use so i Said lets try to combine scan + combat into that ship to save some time.
Howard Saint
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-10-25 11:31:46 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
As stated, but you seem to have missed it, stop using Fury missiles and the problem goes away.



Yes thank u. As i wrote a little bit higher im gonna try that when i get home if i find my self in the same situation!
Also i think im gonna change offensive sub system to the ECM/Drone one since i have no use for the bonus Kinetic dmg in every site but the drones should work in every situation.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2011-10-25 16:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Howard Saint wrote:
Yes thank u. As i wrote a little bit higher im gonna try that when i get home if i find my self in the same situation! Also i think im gonna change offensive sub system to the ECM/Drone one since i have no use for the bonus Kinetic dmg in every site but the drones should work in every situation.


I do just fine in BR radars with the Covert Reconfiguration sub (5 launchers, 5% RoF bonus) and plain Thunderbolts. Normal frigates go pop in one or two volleys, elites take three or four. Plus you get, you know, a covops cloak on there just in case.

Edit: works for mag sites too. Just have to change out the appropriate modules. Sometimes I carry both, sometimes I realize that mag sites just aren't worth my time.
xenodia
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-25 17:03:24 UTC
Howard Saint wrote:

I warp in and start attacking the small web/scram drones with my 5 T2 HM launchers with Scourge Fury and 1 TP.




The bolded parts are your problem. Try using the correct missiles for the job.
xenodia
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-25 17:09:15 UTC
McRoll wrote:
Also, kinetic is not the best damage type to shoot at drones, experiment with EM maybe, even if you are losing the damage bonus.


Unless the targets Kinetic resist is like 25% higher than its lowest resist, it still makes more sense to keep the damage bonus and use kinetic missiles. (obviously the percentage varies depending upon skills, but you get the point). If your ship gets a 25% bonus to kinetic damage, and the targets resist against kinetic is only 10% higher than the lowest resist, then youre still doing 15% more damage with kinetic than you would be with whatever the lowest resist is.

The OPs problem was that he was trying to use Fury missiles on frig size targets (in other words, he fails at weapons system comprehension). Nothing more, nothing less.
xenodia
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-25 17:11:48 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Edit: works for mag sites too. Just have to change out the appropriate modules. Sometimes I carry both, sometimes I realize that mag sites just aren't worth my time.



In anything below a C4, mag sites arent really worth the time it takes to open the cans... just kill/salvage the rats.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#14 - 2011-10-25 17:22:08 UTC
xenodia wrote:
Unless the targets Kinetic resist is like 25% higher than its lowest resist, it still makes more sense to keep the damage bonus and use kinetic missiles. (obviously the percentage varies depending upon skills, but you get the point). If your ship gets a 25% bonus to kinetic damage, and the targets resist against kinetic is only 10% higher than the lowest resist, then youre still doing 15% more damage with kinetic than you would be with whatever the lowest resist is.


It's slightly more dynamic than that, but the general point stands. However, since we're talking low sec BR rats, the difference is usually (though not always) sufficient to make thunderbolts outperform scourge.

xenodia wrote:
The OPs problem was that he was trying to use Fury missiles on frig size targets (in other words, he fails at weapons system comprehension). Nothing more, nothing less.


This is also true. And we're assuming the ship isn't rigged to apply damage either. Precision, CN, and even T1 missiles are going to put more damage on target.