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Nyx BPo - ME6 PE3 - crazy good researched

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Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#1 - 2013-01-26 19:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
Some facts about the research made and it's gain:
First of all the research-time for ME is 63d 8h and for PE is 95d that gives a total of 665d research.
*This in POS with 25% bonus plus best implants with another 5% bonus.
*Cost of keeping POS running is about 400M/month ~ 8,7 billions in fuel (not that it matters much, but still, and cost would be 1/4 if tower was small instead of large)


From my excel-document I can see what the gain is from two perspective:
*Prices recalculated 2013-05-17 with todays prices and calculated on a 27B price on Nyx

1) The gain per extra ME-level (in cost-reduction = extra profit):
ME 1 = 905M
ME 2 = 319M
ME 3 = 142M
ME 4 = 114M
ME 5 = 12M
ME 6 = 102M
ME 7 = 6M (I don't got this, but it doesn't really help either)

ME6 total extra profit (from ME0): 1594M per ship built

2) If used 24/7 one month, extra profit per PE level
PE 1 = 1231M (57 hours less buildtime)
PE 2 = 422M (17 hours less buildtime)
PE 3 = 263M (10 hours less buildtime)

PE3 total extra profit per month (used 100%): 1916M (84 hours faster build)

3) Total gain:
ME 6 + PE 3 = 3510M extra compared to ME0+PE0 (used 100%)


Price: 20B
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-01-27 17:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
Bump - 7d 6h left.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-01-28 22:51:24 UTC
Bump - 6d 1h left
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-01-30 12:42:55 UTC
Bump - 4d 11h left.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#5 - 2013-02-01 05:49:51 UTC
Bump - 2d 18h left in research.
Icecicle
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-02 19:52:09 UTC
Smyghe wrote:
In 2d 18h my Nyx BPo is finished with ME6 PE3 on it.

Some facts about the research made and it's gain:
First of all the research-time for ME is 63d 8h and for PE is 95d that gives a total of 665d research.
*This in POS with 25% bonus plus best implants with another 5% bonus.
*Cost of keeping POS running is about 400M/month ~ 8,7 billions in fuel (not that it matters much, but still)


From my excel-document I can see what the gain is from two perspective:

1) The gain per extra ME-level (in cost-reduction = extra profit):
ME 1 = 926M
ME 2 = 326M
ME 3 = 145M
ME 4 = 117M
ME 5 = 12M
ME 6 = 105M
ME 7 = 6M (I don't got this, but it doesn't really help either)

ME6 total extra profit (from ME0): 1631M per ship built

2) If used 24/7 one month, extra profit per PE level
PE 1 = 568M (57 hours less buildtime)
PE 2 = 194M (17 hours less buildtime)

PE2 total extra profit per month (used 100%): 762M (74 hours faster build)
*This BPo will be PE3 and I accually dunno how much better that is.

3) Total gain:
ME 6 + PE 2 = 2421M extra compared to ME0+PE0 (used 100%)
*This BPo will be PE3 and I accually dunno how much better that is.


Price: ATM I got no fixed price, but I won't sell it below 20B, and I'm more looking for 25B+. For now I'm open for offers though.



TL/DR

The market is the market and all that crap about what you think its worth means nothing. When right now 5/1 Nyx BPOS are not even selling at 15B, your lucky to get one sold for more then 13.5B these days. We all no that the best Nyx is a 6/1 and the rest is a waste of training and not worth buying. I bet if you had a 6/1 you would be lucky to get 16B for it right now in this market. Sorry mate but it is the truth if you just do a little reasearch.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-02-02 23:33:10 UTC
1b

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Trit
Constructive Influence
Brothers of Tangra
#8 - 2013-02-03 00:34:46 UTC
I will offer you 18B for your considerable efforts.

Shine on Crazy Nubbins

Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-02-03 02:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
Icecicle wrote:
TL/DR

The market is the market and all that crap about what you think its worth means nothing.

When right now 5/1 Nyx BPOS are not even selling at 15B, your lucky to get one sold for more then 13.5B these days. We all no that the best Nyx is a 6/1 and the rest is a waste of training and not worth buying. I bet if you had a 6/1 you would be lucky to get 16B for it right now in this market.

Sorry mate but it is the truth if you just do a little reasearch.


1a) Of course what I think means nothing when it comes to prices if it got no contact with reality.
1b) The same goes for you, even more since you TL:DR and admit you don't read what I say (which show in your post).
1c) What I say is not about what I think, but I inform the gain of each level of research both when it comes to ME and PE. Hence it got noting with my opinions to do but is fact based on that days prices from my Excel-document that is a help to a potential buyer to see what he pays for.

2a) When a buyer buys a BPo it's a transaction that can be made in seconds.
2b) A Nyx BPo with 6/1 can never be better than a 6/3.
2c) A Nyx BPo 6/3 is always better than a 6/1.
2d) To think that a 6/3 is "not worth buying" compared to a 6/1 shows on a lack of understanding of 2b and 2c.
2e) If you got a Nyx BPo 6/1 you can ask yourself if it's worth to put 190 days to make it 6/3.
2f) This is a sell of a 6/3, hence 2e isn't relevant - I did it, and I'm selling that after 665 days of research instead of 475.
2g) Since a PE2 builds a Nyx on 17 hours less than a PE1 I guess that my PE3 will gain about one day buildtime over a 6/1 BPo, in no world where logic is applyed correctly can that be a negative thing.

3a) Concidering what I might be lucky to get for it I refer to 1b.
3b) Someone offered 18B right after you said I'll be lucky to get 16B.

4) I don't need to do alittle research, as we all know I made alot of it :p

5) Intresting fact: In greek language the word for "truth" is same as the word for "reality". This world I think can be understood through fact and logic. Anyone who's perception is in less harmony with fact and logic is also in less harmony with truth.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-02-03 02:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
Trit wrote:
I will offer you 18B for your considerable efforts.



TY for offer.

Jita has a 4/1 on contract at that price, even one on 17B with same reseach accually. If that's the money you are willing to pay and want a Nyx BPo I refer you to them.

To anyone else I can say that for now I might take 20B as a B/O offer. Also goes for this person of course.

[EDIT]
"Might take" means that if someone bids 20B and noone overbids I'll let it go for 20B, otherwise highest bidder takes it of course.
[/EDIT]


[EDIT2]
20 hours left in owen.
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Rebecca Cairn
Imperial Corrections Service.
#11 - 2013-02-03 03:22:55 UTC
Never hurts to throw it on public contracts... not everyone reads the forums.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-02-06 01:47:10 UTC
Bump
Trit
Constructive Influence
Brothers of Tangra
#13 - 2013-02-06 04:57:48 UTC
18B offer stands mate. in case you change your mind and want to grab the cash.

Shine on Crazy Nubbins

Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-02-06 05:39:14 UTC
Lol 400mill/month in fuel, do you only research one blueprint on your large tower in your 1 research slot lab?

Stop trying to ham up your stupid over researching with bull sh it.

Vote Item Heck One for CSM8

Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-02-06 12:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
Trit wrote:
18B offer stands mate. in case you change your mind and want to grab the cash.


No thx, not at all desperate for iskies, I said my lowest price and that stands. A couple of billions extra isn't anything to put in as a serious supercapitalbuilder. The price concidering the research is silly cheap anyhow if I'll let it go at 20B.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#16 - 2013-02-06 12:18:39 UTC
Akturous wrote:
Lol 400mill/month in fuel, do you only research one blueprint on your large tower in your 1 research slot lab?

Stop trying to ham up your stupid over researching with bull sh it.


U mad bro? U comment the thing as I explicit said "not that it matters, but still" about like that's any heavy argument from my side. Perhaps an anger management and a cup of coffee would be good for you. Or a vow of silence?

Anyone who tried to research a BPo knows it's big lines to researchspots in Empire, and to run a POS is at least 1/4 cost of my large tower and most who needs to do the ME/PE research for a Nyx BPo will need to both pay and maintain the POS for a very long time (no matter how many other things one might squeeze in at same time). Anyone who buys my BPo don't need to bother about any such ever - while most Nyx BPo's in game would do good with some more research.
Akturous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-02-07 12:02:10 UTC
Small tower, 90mill/month, gives you 6 ME slots, 9 if you don't want any defences. Loads of moons in low sec that no one wants and will never bash your tower for.

If it didn't matter, don't put it in the add, your clearly trying to make your blueprint seem worth more than it is. I'll stay out of your thread now, but perhaps use your labs for something more profitable than a bpo no one is going to give you the isk for, I mean seriously, you save about 100mill or so, on a 22bill isk ship.

Vote Item Heck One for CSM8

Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-02-07 12:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Smyghe
Akturous wrote:
Small tower, 90mill/month, gives you 6 ME slots, 9 if you don't want any defences. Loads of moons in low sec that no one wants and will never bash your tower for.

If it didn't matter, don't put it in the add, your clearly trying to make your blueprint seem worth more than it is. I'll stay out of your thread now, but perhaps use your labs for something more profitable than a bpo no one is going to give you the isk for, I mean seriously, you save about 100mill or so, on a 22bill isk ship.


Ty for free bump. Seems to mention this was the best investment in this add I made and also the one ppl really put alot of effort into misunderstanding.

To get a moon in empire demands standings, that either take alot of effort with missions or such or is another cost that you have to make (which includes you trust someone that help you with this for a cost). All that things is problem that buyer of this BPo wont have, and I think that is relevant to a new S-Cap-builder.

The savings on a 22B ship as you say (I dunno about that price atm, but let's say you're right) is on the ME numbers above per ship and the PE number per month of 100% use. The numbers isn't there to "make blueprint seem worth more than it is", but instead to inform potential buyer what gain is per level. Hence I'm accually avoiding the illusion to make it seem worth more than it is by informing the savings on each ME and PE level.
Smyghe
Big Shadows
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-02-12 00:08:42 UTC
Bump
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#20 - 2013-02-12 08:53:35 UTC
You should take that 18 bill offer and run, tbh. Smile
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