Intergalactic Summit

I dont follow you Ms. Farel... care to elaborate?

The implications are frightening indeed.

Modern consciousness treats freedom as the greatest human value. Freedom of life, thought, speech, action, right to livelihood, religion, artistic expressions, education, government, and so on, are all enshrined in the constitutions of the nations. But, in contrast to freedom, the concept of truth is treated with a reticent suspicion and skepticism. The claim to truth often turns out to be mere subjective judgments that will have no obligation on man. Epitomized in the words of Hoje;

“Let us only hope the search never ends, that the Absolute Truth stays hidden forever. For if the search ends, we end. Then we become nothing more than dust, specks of sand on the shore of universal lie. And maybe, just maybe, this has already happened.”

Hoje had neither the desire nor the tenacity to pursue the question of –What is Truth?-; his attitude was pessimistic towards a subjective truth. His sad tale advises the pursuit of this by any means necessary leads to corruption. His grain of sand refers to subjective truth that consumes reality. He fears the ultimate realization of this truth that sustains itself with lies, separates us from humanity becoming self-centered specks of sand on the shore of universal lie.

However, despite the sentimentality or the overconfidence in the claims for truth, we have reason enough to ask the question afresh: ‘What is truth?’ ‘What is freedom?’ What is it that we place with equal sentimentality and confidence on the top of our hierarchy of moral values?

If freedom is to be endowed with our own will as the sole criterion of our actions; a series of questions now emerge with a rare urgency we cannot overlook:
How free is our will?
How rational is our will?
Should the definition of freedom given above not be so expanded as to include reason, and also the freedom of mankind as a whole, lest our freedom turn out to be tyrannical and unreasonable?
Should we not seek in freedom the common reason of all men, therefore, the mutual compatibility of freedoms in the interplay of reason and will?

We are at once compelled to admit that the question of truth lies buried deep within the question of freedom, in particular, in the rationality of the will and its relation to reason. This brings me to my original post.

Absolutizing what is not absolute but relative is called totalitarianism. It does not liberate man, but takes away his dignity and enslaves him. It is not ideologies or theory that save the world, only a return to our Creator, the bondsman of our freedom, the benefactor of what is really good and true.

Sorry for my delay but seems that the IGS has suddenly burst with a multitude of interesting subjects. There is nothing wrong in questioning; the beginning of faith is doubt.

I will try to answer; relative truth is incomplete or flawed as Hoje suggested, it can’t sustain itself therefore the search must never end, thus if it end - completely separate us from reality… Oblivion

Knowledge of the absolute truth is given to each one of us as a condition for existence. Understanding the nature of our being reveals us the interaction between the absolute and reality. Life is suffering, and it’s a fundamental nature of being. There is a reason for this, we have extreme limitations imposed on us like certain height, intelligence, health, fortitude.. they are conditions of existence. We are what we are and we aren’t other things, the awareness of being comes with suffering. That is the price we must pay for being, … limitations.. separation from the absolute. Suffering is an integral part of being. Inevitably life poses the question of how to conduct yourself in the face of suffering.

We can easily believe in evil because your own recognition of vulnerability allows you to identify evil. Therefore each of us has the ability to recognize good from evil, a divine truth that serves as a compass. As I said earlier in this meditation; we come to the inevitable crossroad of judging the nature of being.

Nothing you do means anything. You’ve got no responsibility, no purpose... if man lives without truth, life passes him by; ultimately he surrenders the field to whoever subjective reality is the stronger.

Or Life is meaningful, and everything you do matter, every action affects others. Then you can have a meaningful life. It means responsibility. The absolute Truth is a virtuous path that justify being to itself. Redemption in the fullest sense can only consist in the Truth becoming recognizable. And it becomes recognizable when God (the absolute nature of being) becomes recognizable.

Then everything that happens in life, whether it first appears good or bad, is a reminder that human beings do not have absolute control over their own destinies but were made to be in a relationship with God. Each thing, each relationship, each joy, like each difficulty, finds its ultimate meaning in being an occasion for a relationship with the Infinite, the voice of God who continually calls us and invites us to raise our sights and to discover in him the fullness of our humanity

Your welcome im glad you shared yours as well. If I may point out, this precisely the subjective truth I was talking about... may you never stop the search for truth.

The burdon of knowledge, is it freedom ?, or do we become more narrowminded the more we learn ?... I think Ms Streya points to a very important fact, we each start with nothing and as we grow, everything we learn is something new... but with new knowledge also comes the fact that we choose to take or do something according to how we already know how to do it... wich to a point stops us from seeking new ways and learning... i think this probably aplies to humanity on a more uncoinsious level, for me realicing this, and that what i know, isent the only way possible, is freedom... i might value things based on how effective it might be, its time to do, contra the cost and consequenses there off... but exactly how i value and reason around this, i know Mr Khan probably add values based upon his faith and religon, in the equation... All that sums us up is knowledge, it will in the end guide us in the choises we make, but will we be free to look beyond what we know and accept other peoples paths and thus be free ?, or are we narrowminded and slaves to what we know and reject all those other paths available ?

its not allways easy to try explain in words how i think and reason, but i hope i made some sense what Freedom is for me

It seems your search ended.

If there is no certainty in knowledge, indeed your universe is ambiguous Ms Mekhana.

Therefore, there must be a first cause, itself uncaused.

Unmoving, improves;
Unending time.
Uncauséd, approves;
Emerging sublime.

Unthinking, opines;
Ascending choir.
Unbounded, defines;
Converging prior.

What am I?