EVE New Citizens Q&A

hello everyone,

i started playing this game the other day. my rl friend got me into it. she got me set up with the skill queue, gave me a list of skills to train for industry, contracted me a few items to put on the market, and then went off to do her own thing in war space. im not particularly interested in fighting a war in my imparier nor do i have any pvp skills not to mention her corp only recruits seasoned pvpers so im on my own for now. well ive been logging in and managing my market stuff, ive got a bit of isk now that everything sold, but theres nothing to do and im bored. i was told to join a corp so i thought id give it a go.

first corp sends me, literally, a small novel of rules and regulations and procedures. i quietly bow out of their public channel and keep looking. finally i find a friendly person who seems interested in having me, until i mention that my friend introduced me to the game and i was denied entry because:

"Unfortunately, with your age, that makes you a liability."
"I recommend that you either join your friend, or start a new character. You look like a corp killer."
"In 7 days, you can fly a hurricane with 2 medium neuts capable of dropping any battleship in the game"

1 hour later, api keys and finally a response -

"Sorry, your risk has been assessed as too high"

i dont even know what that means, but apparently 1 day old characters are a force to be reckoned with? my friend did tell me this game is full of a certain type of player who is very paranoid and thinks everyone is out to get them and will find any little reason not to let you into a corp. so far ive spent 3 hours today looking for a corp and they all tell me the same stuff.

this is really discouraging and im now questioning if this is even the game i want to play.

There are a lot of paranoid people. Some of the paranoia is justified, because:

- Others can't tell a true newbie character from a secret spy alt character.

- New characters can still steal everything in the corporation hangars, spy on the corporation comms and website channels, and provide an approach vector for an enemy fleet to drop right on top of unsuspecting corp members and destroy them.

The API keys are used to see if you may possibly be a spy. They're looking for past corporation memberships, money transfers from people in enemy corps or alliances, lots of ISK in the wallet, etc, but again it's an art of guessing, they don't have access to your real life info to be able to tell that you're truly a newbie.

I would recommend forgive them and keep trying.

But realize that, typically in MMO games (not just this one), the advanced guilds/corps aren't really looking for newbies. End-game raiders in WoW for example won't have use for a low level character. This game has some roles that a newbie can do in PVP combat in a frigate, but you may be better off joining the EVE Uni or a smaller corp before going for the big alliances out there.

"But realize that, typically in MMO games (not just this one), the advanced guilds/corps aren't really looking for newbies. End-game raiders in WoW for example won't have use for a low level character. This game has some roles that a newbie can do in PVP combat in a frigate, but you may be better off joining the EVE Uni or a smaller corp before going for the big alliances out there."

they were just a 17 man industry corp. in fact, the corporation itself is less than a month old - maybe i should be scared of **them**!!!

Sounds like you applied to a corp run by morons which is entirely typical of smalltime highsec industrialists.

Remember that in EVE a lot of players, even experienced ones are totally stupid and will come to conclusions that bare no relation to reality, particularly if they involve dealing with other people, flying spaceships or doing basic math. I mean some of them will even seriously disagree with you if you tell them that you need to factor in costs in order to calculate profit properly.

What they are probably worried about is people putting spy alts into their corps as a precursor to a war declaration, which is dumb because nobody is going to go through that effort for a 17 man industrial corp, if you're going to declare war on them you'd just do it and be done with it.

But yeah, keep looking, find a less ******** corp and join that instead.

Join a pirate corp, they'll take anyone

http://media.fukung.net/images/2743/test_terrorist.jpg

This. ^

I ran into the same problem. The in-game corp finder is a serious piece of crap, so I turned to the forums and made a list of corps to contact. With one corp, I spent some time in their chat channel, and within an hour, was deemed a spy because I "knew too much about the game" for a newbie. After sending a full API, I was kicked and banned from the channel, then was sent a mail confirming that they thought I was a spy. To their credit, they had a pending wardec, but the whole thing was just ridiculous.

Just keep looking, and you'll find a home. I'm actually happy that things worked out this way for me, because I found a great corp full of helpful people that are teaching me the ins and outs of the game.

This is what got you denied right here. As someone who has seen these before, you are a possible flag as a spy/awoxer (someone who ganks ships)/thief whatever. There is one thing that flagged you that way: you got free stuff. Common process for a ganker is to apply with a new alt to an indy corp, train really quick to a gank setup like they said and use the ships to gank until kicked.

If your friend was any good, they would direct you to a good place for new people to start like Eve University or RvB or the like. But for now, any real security guy worth anything is going to deny you depending on where you friend came from.

For the corp that denied you, there is almost no risk in doing so. There are plenty of indy noobs and taking the chance on a possible awoxer isn't worth it. That sucks for you but Eve is a harsh realm.

well my question is this then if i really was a "corp killer"... wouldnt i wait until i was ready to kill them to send myself the money? why concoct this elaborate tale of a rl friend? i mean really its so dumb; i feel like their paranoia serves no purpose except to ironically keep the newbies and good players out and just filter in the thieves!

Keep in mind I am not arguing with you, this is merely enlightenment on what went wrong from my perspective. Not saying you are, just putting it out there.

Yes, a smart awoxer will wait til he's in to start moving money around. Not everyone is a smart awoxer. They don't understand API keys and what they show or just think most indy corps won't bother looking for transactions like that, or they will simply buy your story.

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, you had a friend that gave you a helping hand. The problem is your friend seems to be a combat pilot and you aren't.

Your solution is not to go alone. You aren't blacklisted. You have a slight gimp coming out of the gate. I can say with 100% assurance someone will take you. They will overlook it, or simply miss it and will be glad for an extra set of hands. Eventually your own play and reputation will overcome any lingering doubts about you and you'll be fine.

Absolutely do not just play alone. Join Eve University if nothing else and get with those guys to learn.

You may have just made the greatest joke ever without having known it. If anything, my alliance and its friends are accused of being in the largest blob ever of PvP players and ruining the game with our giant pile of friends.

Practical answer: there are null sec coalitions that run in the tens of thousands of players. Low sec and high sec combat groups that run from thousands to tens and hundreds and small ganking fleets that run from tens to soloers.

High sec carebears who don't like getting shot in their belts and missions DO dislike PvPers but of course they do, we make their stuff go boom.