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Manufacturing in WH's.

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Stonewall Jackson Adama
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-02 10:29:33 UTC
Is it ever worth manufacturing in WH"s? I'm not talking fuel blocks or t3 cruisers. I'm talking more about regualar low to mid-level production, t1/t2 frig and cruiser hulls and mods/boosters. I was thinking about moving a small manufacturing operation into a c4/c3, but I was worried it would arouse too much attention. If I leave it in k-space, there will be a lot of transporting in and out of w-space, just as there will be a lot of transporting in and out if I stay in w-space, so the logistics isn't really what is bothering me.
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-02-02 10:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Shenra Twrin
i can you give somethhing to consider.


Manuf... in a WH is ofc possible but why would u want do it?

Your Pos can easy be reinforced, your Hauler can easily be ganked and to haul all that stuff is a nightmare. Syrsly you gain no advantage... or let me say only one.. You can Produce in secred nobody can know what you Prod..

But dude its not worth it.....

The ORE BELTS dont spawn frequent... everybody in wh looove to gank thos hulk/vengaces

Wouldnt do it. if you do, respect for that level of masochism
Stonewall Jackson Adama
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-02-02 11:16:06 UTC
I've lived in plenty of WH"s, c4's/c3's, c5/c3's, and a c5/c6. I've never had any problem with transport ships, exhumers, or gas suckers being ganked. I close superfluous holes, I keep scouts everywhere, I constantly dscan. That's not what I'm worried about. What worries me is someone seeing a pos with some manufacturing in it and saying 'sure, let's put that into reinforced'.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-02 11:44:19 UTC
No point at all in building anything in WHs that you can build in HS.

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Cavilha
Tupy Industries
#5 - 2013-02-02 14:26:37 UTC
If you think only in manufacturing is not worth it. For in HS and you can also do with more facilities.

The advantage of this WH industry in the range of possibilities. Make reactions, mining, PI, PVE and of course always a bit of PVP to distract.

If your concern is the logistics take a C1/HS everything will be simple.

I live in a C3/LS and like industry. FACOS reactions, produce items T1/T2, inventions and so on.

I never had any problem with logistics. Usually once a week appears a connection to HS or LS with easy access.

Just a little care and experience will prevent being ganked.
Morwraith
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-02 15:21:23 UTC
People won't RF a pos just because you're doing manufacturing if thats your concern. As long as the pos has proper defense people will most likely leave you alone especially in a c4. Although the points that others have brought up are valid concerns.
Tommassino Preldent
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-02 15:35:31 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
No point at all in building anything in WHs that you can build in HS.

Nanite paste is worth it, if you enjoy doing PI. The compression on that thing is insane.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-02 16:59:23 UTC
If they reinforce your pos send us a message we will come pew for free :)
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-02-02 20:02:00 UTC
Stonewall Jackson Adama wrote:
Is it ever worth manufacturing in WH"s? I'm not talking fuel blocks or t3 cruisers. I'm talking more about regualar low to mid-level production, t1/t2 frig and cruiser hulls and mods/boosters. I was thinking about moving a small manufacturing operation into a c4/c3, but I was worried it would arouse too much attention. If I leave it in k-space, there will be a lot of transporting in and out of w-space, just as there will be a lot of transporting in and out if I stay in w-space, so the logistics isn't really what is bothering me.


TL:DR Manufacturing ships and mods isn't worth the effort in WH space. Manufacturing items from PI is.

Cheers,

Sith

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-02-02 20:08:02 UTC
I manufacture stuff in wormholes but nothing that requires a large amount of ore. If i could upgrade my pos with a refinery that had a 100% yield, i would probably consider manufacturing ships.
Razor Rocker
Super Mother Fan Club
#11 - 2013-02-02 23:24:10 UTC
Do you live in a WH full time right now? Because if you don't right now, then I'm confused as to why you'd ever manufacture in a WH. HS is the best place for t1-t3 production, and if you want reactions then go to lowsec. That way you can become familiar with the area, have a cyno into the system, and there is a great thing called local chat. However, if you are dead set on manufacturing in a WH, do what the previous posters have said and move into a C1/HS or C2/HS.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-03 00:29:08 UTC
Sure you can manufacture in WH's. However, aside from small scale producing for just yourself/a few people (note, not full time), I highly doubt manufacturing ships and modules would be worth it. T3 cruisers are the only maybe, but even then I'm not sure it would be enough to be worth fueling a POS for it.

So what other types of manufacturing? Well, you could run reactions, and it is safer for a small timer to run reactions in a WH than in lowsec. But you still run into the issue of volume - namely, you're tossing a lot of volume through the WH's, which leads to lots of extra logistics, and the possibility of loosing some ships to someone ganking you. Still viable with proper market research though. Speaking as someone who has previously run multiple towers for reactions in the past though, you are going to hate yourself if you go down this path... Managing POS's is by far the most likely thing to lead to eve-burnout in my experience.

So that pretty much leaves PI. And while PI can certaintly make you a decent amount of isk, in anything other than a C1 its really just some isk on the side, not something worth basing the majority of your WH money-making out of.
Ryuji Takemiya
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-02-03 05:00:48 UTC
You have to bring the gas in from low and null, but you can cook up some illegal boosters out in W-Space. And who doesn't like to fly smacked up?

It's good for your m8s and to sell.
Zoltan Lazar
#14 - 2013-02-03 08:16:27 UTC
I see X-L ship assembly pos's, super-lab'd pos's and obvious carebear production pos's in WH space all the time, usually in C3 holes. They're very rarely attacked, for two reasons. One, they usually indicate the defender has at least one cap, which makes a supcap fleet rather difficult to field. Two, a reinforce timer of more than 24 hours means having to find another route back to the attacker's home WH after killing your tower.


TL;DR Put your reinforce timer to above 24 hours, have at least a carrier and a moros if not more to defend.
Holy lanyaie's
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-02-03 12:03:05 UTC
Shenra Twrin wrote:
i can you give somethhing to consider.


Manuf... in a WH is ofc possible but why would u want do it?

Your Pos can easy be reinforced, your Hauler can easily be ganked and to haul all that stuff is a nightmare. Syrsly you gain no advantage... or let me say only one.. You can Produce in secred nobody can know what you Prod..

But dude its not worth it.....

The ORE BELTS dont spawn frequent... everybody in wh looove to gank thos hulk/vengaces

Wouldnt do it. if you do respect for that level of masochism



oh my god
Stonewall Jackson Adama
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-02-03 23:13:10 UTC
Razor Rocker wrote:
Do you live in a WH full time right now? Because if you don't right now, then I'm confused as to why you'd ever manufacture in a WH. HS is the best place for t1-t3 production, and if you want reactions then go to lowsec. That way you can become familiar with the area, have a cyno into the system, and there is a great thing called local chat. However, if you are dead set on manufacturing in a WH, do what the previous posters have said and move into a C1/HS or C2/HS.


not right now. I've been playing other games and skilling in eve (which is pretty much playing eve). I'm thinking of moving back into a c4/c3 with a few people and was curious if manufacturing was worth it. From what I've seen so far, I'll probably just stick to making stuff from PI.

Logistics has never been much of a problem. I've spent 90% of my time playing eve in a wh and I had good guidance when I started out. It would be bit more of a hassle than doing everything in HS, but there's something about having a secret manufacturing facility in w-space that really strikes me the right way.
Stonewall Jackson Adama
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-02-03 23:15:42 UTC
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
So that pretty much leaves PI. And while PI can certaintly make you a decent amount of isk, in anything other than a C1 its really just some isk on the side, not something worth basing the majority of your WH money-making out of.


The manufacutring would just be a side project - something to spice up my wh life. I'd just roll c3's with another person or two (or by myself) or take advantage of rolling c5's/c6's and their ladars for the bulk of my isk.
Stonewall Jackson Adama
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-03 23:19:37 UTC
Ryuji Takemiya wrote:
You have to bring the gas in from low and null, but you can cook up some illegal boosters out in W-Space. And who doesn't like to fly smacked up?

It's good for your m8s and to sell.


I really, really like the idea of having an illegal drug manufacturing setup in w-space. That's why I play eve.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#19 - 2013-02-03 23:22:17 UTC
The main reason to run industry in wormholes is that K-space sucks and should be avoided at all costs.

That is more than sufficient.
Sam Koli
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-02-04 09:13:51 UTC
I once made good ISK with Reactions. and WH space is more secure for me than low/0.0 sec. but it is still risky, because it needs quite some assets, which you put on risk.
The main reason WH sucks for Industry, is the logistics. so I would only consider it with a higsec static.
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