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Web / scram / neut drones?
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Laris Orwan
DigiLab
#1 - 2013-01-29 10:18:38 UTC
Just a quickly.. If I wanted more tank or more dps are using drones to do the above an option? Freeing up high and mid slots etc... Are any of these drones comparable to their ship module brothers? Or are they all a waste of time?
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-01-29 11:15:49 UTC
They all have very niche uses...mostly the "wtf" factor when someone encounters them. But no they are not a good substitute for on-ship modules. ECM, Shield and Armour maint drones are more useful if you are looking for creative options other than combat drones.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#3 - 2013-01-29 12:43:49 UTC
Andracin wrote:
They all have very niche uses...mostly the "wtf" factor when someone encounters them. But no they are not a good substitute for on-ship modules. ECM, Shield and Armour maint drones are more useful if you are looking for creative options other than combat drones.


The only time i have seen drones used effectively was during a hot drop on a guy who was repping a tower in cloud ring. We dropped like 5 super caps on him but he wasnt far out of the shields and immediately started burning inside. Someone popped web drones on him and he slowed from what was already a crawl to virtually not moving any more. Without them i suspect we would not have gotten the kill.

With a sub cap, however, i suspect you will find little use for them. In a sub cap fight you may not get the drones out and on the target before he warps out. An active module will lock and scram/web immediately. Also you (may idk for sure with changes to gate guns) lose drones to gate guns in low sec fights.
Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#4 - 2013-01-29 20:31:02 UTC
Disastro wrote:
Andracin wrote:
They all have very niche uses...mostly the "wtf" factor when someone encounters them. But no they are not a good substitute for on-ship modules. ECM, Shield and Armour maint drones are more useful if you are looking for creative options other than combat drones.


The only time i have seen drones used effectively was during a hot drop on a guy who was repping a tower in cloud ring. We dropped like 5 super caps on him but he wasnt far out of the shields and immediately started burning inside. Someone popped web drones on him and he slowed from what was already a crawl to virtually not moving any more. Without them i suspect we would not have gotten the kill.

With a sub cap, however, i suspect you will find little use for them. In a sub cap fight you may not get the drones out and on the target before he warps out. An active module will lock and scram/web immediately. Also you (may idk for sure with changes to gate guns) lose drones to gate guns in low sec fights.


What size of web drones are we talking here?
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#5 - 2013-01-30 02:41:14 UTC
Eternal Montage wrote:
Disastro wrote:
Andracin wrote:
They all have very niche uses...mostly the "wtf" factor when someone encounters them. But no they are not a good substitute for on-ship modules. ECM, Shield and Armour maint drones are more useful if you are looking for creative options other than combat drones.


The only time i have seen drones used effectively was during a hot drop on a guy who was repping a tower in cloud ring. We dropped like 5 super caps on him but he wasnt far out of the shields and immediately started burning inside. Someone popped web drones on him and he slowed from what was already a crawl to virtually not moving any more. Without them i suspect we would not have gotten the kill.

With a sub cap, however, i suspect you will find little use for them. In a sub cap fight you may not get the drones out and on the target before he warps out. An active module will lock and scram/web immediately. Also you (may idk for sure with changes to gate guns) lose drones to gate guns in low sec fights.


What size of web drones are we talking here?


Couldnt tell you . its prob been almost 2 years now and it was another guy in fleet who used the web drones. Back then a super could deploy drones or fighters and 20 web drones well... things were different then.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#6 - 2013-01-30 13:18:46 UTC
try med neut drones on thorax .... not that bad and crazy how it looks ... wtf moment is massive :)
Kata Dakini
Undefined Array
#7 - 2013-01-31 08:45:10 UTC
I've been giving web drones a healthy college try, and for my use, trying to snare down kitey frigs, they just don't seem to be up to the task. I haven't given neut drones a try... I don't think I've ever noticed that they are considerably faster than web drones (eh?), with 900's getting a neut range of 10km with a base speed of 2km/s (vs 1.5km/s for SW's).

It would probably take some drone nav comps to get the speed up to par, but if they were fast enough and could effectively kill what tiny cap many little buggers rely on, probably a good deterrent.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2013-01-31 16:47:44 UTC
Web drones slow you down about as much as asking nicely

Neut drones might cause your opponent to slingshot himself out of point range because hes laughing and not paying attention?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#9 - 2013-01-31 18:41:02 UTC
5 * infiltrator EV600 <=> small energy neutralizer II (50GJ/6s vs 54GJ/6s ; it's closer from meta 2-3 infact)

Compared to another ewar drones, they are quite good (for EWAR drones), because like ECM drones, they do stack nicely. They are also quite fast (3400m/s), so they can catch even frigate even though a frigate would eat them.

Is this worth 135dps of a flight of hammerhead ? That is the question.

Though, 5 * Praetor EV900 <=> Heavy Energy Neutralizer I (125GJ/6s <=> 500GJ/24s) ; minus capacitor cost, and with the high cycle time, now that is pretty good IMO.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#10 - 2013-01-31 20:30:39 UTC
I have always wondered if neut drones might work better than ECM in some instances. When blobs fight for instance, ECM swarms are sent to the logi.. which is all chance based and with eccm the chance is less. With a swarm of neut drones a logi ship quickly become cap unstable when trying to keep up with huge damage pressure on a fleet... maybe just a thought i have had for a while now..
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-02-01 01:05:42 UTC
Makes me wonder though, do they show up on the EWAR thingy on the opponent? If so might be used to just confuse him as to what is webbing, neuting and pointing him?

I know a looooooongshot compared to how much better the jammer drones are.
Kata Dakini
Undefined Array
#12 - 2013-02-01 04:17:01 UTC
Keep in mind also that there are rigs to improve web drone effectiveness. I'd say a potential good use would be in one of the new destroyers with drone speed bonus. That, along with the web rigs and likely a drone speed mod, could have interesting effects on those buggers that never come into web range.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#13 - 2013-02-01 09:18:51 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
5 * infiltrator EV600 <=> small energy neutralizer II (50GJ/6s vs 54GJ/6s ; it's closer from meta 2-3 infact)

Compared to another ewar drones, they are quite good (for EWAR drones), because like ECM drones, they do stack nicely. They are also quite fast (3400m/s), so they can catch even frigate even though a frigate would eat them.

Is this worth 135dps of a flight of hammerhead ? That is the question.

Though, 5 * Praetor EV900 <=> Heavy Energy Neutralizer I (125GJ/6s <=> 500GJ/24s) ; minus capacitor cost, and with the high cycle time, now that is pretty good IMO.



med neut dones are quite good ... many ships rely on cap ....
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-02-02 01:05:22 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
I have always wondered if neut drones might work better than ECM in some instances. When blobs fight for instance, ECM swarms are sent to the logi.. which is all chance based and with eccm the chance is less. With a swarm of neut drones a logi ship quickly become cap unstable when trying to keep up with huge damage pressure on a fleet... maybe just a thought i have had for a while now..


Jams **** up the cap on a guardian way more than neut drones ever could

As long as they have a cap chain running guardians more or less laugh at neuts.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#15 - 2013-02-02 02:47:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Incredibly bad idea. Sorry, but it just is.

Because you have to fly your ship to win in PvP, whereas you don't have to fly drones beyond the basic commands.

Ni.