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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#101 - 2013-02-02 00:03:04 UTC
Eric Ryan wrote:

No thank you, I believe its hard. But Andski disagrees with you. You guys need to get your story straight.


I never said it was hard because it's not. It's a boring, repetitive, thankless job that leaves you literally no time to do anything else ingame. This is why there is a high turnover for that particular role.

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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-02-02 00:03:25 UTC
Andski wrote:
Eric Ryan wrote:
Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe.


Well, it's easy to milk tech moons once you have them, sure.

And thats the point. The Wis has all the ice fields with zero effort and military power.
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-02-02 00:04:58 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Eric Ryan wrote:

No thank you, I believe its hard. But Andski disagrees with you. You guys need to get your story straight.


I never said it was hard because it's not. It's a boring, repetitive, thankless job that leaves you literally no time to do anything else ingame.

True, true. But still that's most highsec carebearish stuff and you guys don't like that. At least I thought so.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-02-02 00:07:45 UTC
I had a bookmark at the towers that put me in perfect position to fuel tower and empty the silo without having to move. Two minutes of maintenance and your jump cap on the jump freighter was ready.

Done.
Whitehound
#105 - 2013-02-02 00:08:17 UTC
Did someone not get the sarcasm or why is here suddenly a rage train rollin'? Roll

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#106 - 2013-02-02 00:12:58 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Eric Ryan wrote:
Andski wrote:

I'm about to ~blow your mind~ - we can easily manage the entirety of the logistical work with less accounts than he has. A moon defense op is the obvious exception, but that's hardly relevant since it's great content when it leads to a fight.

Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe.


Yes it's easier. It's also much higher risk, and daily maintenance ignores the effort of actually, you know, defending it (which costs something even if the primary defense is a diplomatic agreement) and taking it.

Zero Effort != Zero Risk.

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The Wis
Fise Corp
War and Pestilence
#107 - 2013-02-02 00:16:17 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You forgot to add how much RL money you are making with those accounts. I am sure inquiring minds want to know.


Sure.. I make.. 0 It is agenst the Rules to sell isks or plexs for RL money.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2013-02-02 00:18:44 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Eric Ryan wrote:
Andski wrote:

I'm about to ~blow your mind~ - we can easily manage the entirety of the logistical work with less accounts than he has. A moon defense op is the obvious exception, but that's hardly relevant since it's great content when it leads to a fight.

Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe.


Yes it's easier. It's also much higher risk, and daily maintenance ignores the effort of actually, you know, defending it (which costs something even if the primary defense is a diplomatic agreement) and taking it.

Zero Effort != Zero Risk.


Keep in mind, that diplomacy is backed up be supers, and subcap blobs, and reimbursement schemes to keep pilots hanging around. Words are worthless without anything to back them up.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-02-02 00:21:07 UTC
oh yeah if we're going to compare the risks in holding tech moons with the risks in hisec ice mining, let's go

if your tech moon gets reinforced, you can either give up and lose the moon when they return after the timer to siege it and drop their own tower, or you can defend it by putting your ships on the field along with triage carriers to rep it past 50% to restront - if hostiles decide to engage anyway, and are successful, you lose a bunch of triage carriers and possibly a fleet, and the only way to get that moon back is to reinforce it yourself, possibly with the need to kite it so that it comes out in a timezone favorable to you - this is not fun or effortless

if your mackinaw gets suicide ganked, you buy another one for a couple hundred mil

so yeah, tech moons are completely effortless and risk-free

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The Wis
Fise Corp
War and Pestilence
#110 - 2013-02-02 00:21:38 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Eric Ryan wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Geez, in 45min this morning I had made 250mil already


Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million.


And?

Over 100 accounts that works out to 80 mil an hour.

and to plex those 100 accounts. He needs 56 billion a month. (figuring on 560mil per plex)

I on the other hand did it with 3 active accounts. And only 2 running the sites, so that gives me 125mil per toon.

And I only need 1.7 bil a month to plex my 3 toons.

So it takes him about say 70 hours of running those 100 accounts to break even (pay his plex). I doublt I even put 70 hours into this game total a month.

It takes me about 7 hours to break even (pay my 3 plex)

And even largely AFK ice mining, he still has to unload 100 ore holds every ??? (have no idea how long it takes to fill one up) which still has to be work.

Heck logging in the accounts is 45 minutes of actual work even before he can start doing anything.

Consider my bubble just fine thanks.





Well it takes about 30 min to fill the ore hold.. 45 min to get all the guys logged in. Does not mean I have to wait 45 min to start Log one in add to fleet undock long next one in while it is logging in warp to belt with 1st one and start the mining etc.. Get to the last one 45 all logged in and mining time to start unloading.

Since it is pretty easy mining ice I can sit idle mining while waiting on Work oders in RL to come in.
In the evening or on weekends when I do not have to catch work orders and can really play then I have the isks to do what I wish to do with it.
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2013-02-02 00:21:42 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

daily maintenance ignores the effort of actually, you know, defending it (which costs something even if the primary defense is a diplomatic agreement) and taking it.
.

Agreed. The actual effort is much higher. Exactly my point.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-02-02 00:24:00 UTC
Anyway I said that the routine maintenance of tech moons is largely effortless, since it is - actually keeping one isn't.

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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-02-02 00:27:06 UTC
Andski wrote:
Anyway I said that the routine maintenance of tech moons is largely effortless, since it is - actually keeping one isn't.

Yes, but maintenance is only a small part of the picture so as Ruby said the actual effort is much higher. Never thought it'll be this hard to get someone from Goonswarm agree that tech moon income is not as easy as ice mining.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-02-02 03:50:12 UTC
Eric Ryan wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Eric Ryan wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:

Geez, in 45min this morning I had made 250mil already


Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million.


And?

Over 100 accounts that works out to 800 mil an hour.

and to plex those 100 accounts. He needs 56 billion a month. (figuring on 560 mil per plex)

He runs those accounts pretty much all day long so 56 bill is easily doable in a week. After that he cashes profit of about 100-200 bill every month.

I think Lazarus Telraven (I'm not sure about spelling here) mentioned in studio of Alliance tournament X that Goonswarm income from tech is something like 1 trillion per month. That guy is making over 10% of entire Goonswarm tech moon income. Alone. In highsec. Still feeling special?



Yea I feel fine thanks. This is nothing against him for doing this. I neither have the time or the interest in running an operation all day long to begin with. Im just happy I can do everything I enjoy in eve, make enough to plex, and still have more isk than I know what to do with. All in a fraction of the time it takes to run 100 accounts.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#115 - 2013-02-02 03:54:16 UTC
Andski wrote:
oh yeah if we're going to compare the risks in holding tech moons with the risks in hisec ice mining, let's go

if your tech moon gets reinforced, you can either give up and lose the moon when they return after the timer to siege it and drop their own tower, or you can defend it by putting your ships on the field along with triage carriers to rep it past 50% to restront - if hostiles decide to engage anyway, and are successful, you lose a bunch of triage carriers and possibly a fleet, and the only way to get that moon back is to reinforce it yourself, possibly with the need to kite it so that it comes out in a timezone favorable to you - this is not fun or effortless

if your mackinaw gets suicide ganked, you buy another one for a couple hundred mil

so yeah, tech moons are completely effortless and risk-free

Nerf tech moons, boo to all tech moons.

Ice in highsec needs a good buffing.

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The Wis
Fise Corp
War and Pestilence
#116 - 2013-02-02 04:16:41 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Andski wrote:
oh yeah if we're going to compare the risks in holding tech moons with the risks in hisec ice mining, let's go

if your tech moon gets reinforced, you can either give up and lose the moon when they return after the timer to siege it and drop their own tower, or you can defend it by putting your ships on the field along with triage carriers to rep it past 50% to restront - if hostiles decide to engage anyway, and are successful, you lose a bunch of triage carriers and possibly a fleet, and the only way to get that moon back is to reinforce it yourself, possibly with the need to kite it so that it comes out in a timezone favorable to you - this is not fun or effortless

if your mackinaw gets suicide ganked, you buy another one for a couple hundred mil

so yeah, tech moons are completely effortless and risk-free

Nerf tech moons, boo to all tech moons.

Ice in highsec needs a good buffing.


Well I think ice in highsec needs some change.. Like have them replunish say once a month not every day.

I mean for the smallest ice roid all 100 of my guys 6 hours just to pop it. No way an ice belt would be killed in 1 day much less in 30 days.

Also it is nice to have the numbers to be able to supply enough ice for fuel for 1 month for a large POS in 30 min.
Some days I am busy so do not mine all day.

And with being able to do this I do not see why anyone bot mines.

And as far as the plex's go at least I get them off the market by adding the time to my accounts. instead of the guys that buy and sell to raise the prices.. If anything I am keeping the prices down on the plex's.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-02-02 04:24:16 UTC
The Wis wrote:
And as far as the plex's go at least I get them off the market by adding the time to my accounts. instead of the guys that buy and sell to raise the prices.. If anything I am keeping the prices down on the plex's.


You're contributing to the rising costs about as much as they are.

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The Wis
Fise Corp
War and Pestilence
#118 - 2013-02-02 04:43:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
The Wis wrote:
And as far as the plex's go at least I get them off the market by adding the time to my accounts. instead of the guys that buy and sell to raise the prices.. If anything I am keeping the prices down on the plex's.


You're contributing to the rising costs about as much as they are.


I try not too. I usally look at the prices the pick a price between the buy and sell and put an order in. To pull the prices down.
Ai Shun
#119 - 2013-02-02 04:45:05 UTC
The Wis wrote:
Here is a link to my video of my guys undocking.
Hope you like it.
Or hate it.


Nice. And just in time for Fanfest again Wis.
Shalia Ripper
#120 - 2013-02-02 05:01:17 UTC
Only thing that can really be said.

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