EVE General Discussion

Yeah, cause pressing scan repeatedly is so much more difficult than constantly watching local and intel channels.
Not to mention that wormholes exist in k-space as well, so anybody wanting to jump on you doesn't necessarily have to go through adjacent systems to get to you.
Not to mention that there are a lot of empty systems in null, so even if they do go by gates they might not necessarily pass through systems where blues are active enough to report them in intel.
Not to mention that hunting ratters in null is easier because most PVE is done within anomalies which don't require scan probes, unlike wormhole space where most PVE is done in sigs.
Not to mention that it's also easier to kill ratters in null because you automatically know which damage type they're going to be weakest to (drone lands being the exception) and you can tailor your ship to kill that. Not only that, but you know the damage they're most likely to be dealing and you can tailor your ship to have its highest resists against that.
Not to mention in nullsec most PVE activity is done solo meaning that if you get attacked you're going to have a hard time fighting back, as opposed to wormholes where the higher levels are done in groups making attacks on them much more difficult.
Not to mention in nullsec you can light cynos and covert cynos, meaning a single ship can suddenly become a whole blob of ships meaning even a single stealth bomber can be a serious threat.
Not to mention wormholes are typically harder to reach as far as specific systems go, and you can't easily travel to another one to find targets, and the entrances to the system move around and have mass limits.

But yes, please tell me all about how wormhole space is more dangerous than nullsec.

no one seen then 10 jumps away you still dock up as soon as the first blue hits local.

Even if your on top of d scan a simple covops cloak ruins that plan.




So try harder. This is less about people killing you and more about how easy it is for you nullscrubs to chase everyone out of the big blue dounut, because you know there there so easy.

Yeah, cause if you're in a sig someone can totally sneak up on you in their covops cloak.

if only probes within 100% scan range would show up on dscan

if only

Quoted for truth.


Hmmmm. The population to kills ratio is different between high, low, null, and w-space. How could this possibly be? It's got to be local. Or maybe it's sov mechanics in null. Maybe it's lack of sov in w-space. I know! It's because factional warfare is broken!!! Or, wait, maybe it's because high sec has too many minerals. And trade hubs. Nerf trade hubs!!!

Whatever is causing the disparity of pop/kills, it couldn't possibly be Concord. No way. Not a chance it hell.

I'd hazard to say that most PVE is done in anomalies, in wormholes, not signatures, but you do need scan probes to get INTO the wormhole. It's just that at that point, you can bookmark the entrance and dscan->scout with a covops without deploying any probes. So, that's bad, but on top of that, if you don't have a cloak or a POS to warp to, you are not safe anywhere in the system. And you don't know how many people are even looking for you.

Sleepers are nasty. Just about everything you don't want them to do, they do. If you try to snipe, they MWD to you. They neut you. They omnitank. They tackle. They kill your drones. It nearly REQUIRES a group effort to do anything with meaningful efficiency. That means you don't have anything left over to deal with, say, a Proteus killing your logis (assuming you have logis). Ratters in null know something is coming. They can pay attention to intel and local channels for instant, easily intelligible information. Reinforcements, assitance, although it might be jumps away, is a hope. There's also the much, much lower threshold for what constitutes a "blob" in a wormhole. 10 ships is probably quite enough in most circumstances, and if you know they are there, chances are they know you are there, and you are only ever 1 warp cycle away from eachother. You don't NEED a cyno.

I guess in null some people go full-on resistance and use specific hardeners. I'd say that's bad advice in unsecure space, but even then, that means you are in better shape when you are first contacted. And, with that neut in local and the distance you should have put between yourself and the warp-in, you have plenty of time to get out, and you don't ever NEED to stick around in null since the bounties are a lot, just by themselves. In wormholes, if you can't loot/salvage, you might as well not bother. There's no other reason, unless you're mining or hacking/analyzing, which gimps your combat effectiveness.



I thought you guys had "friends".

We do, but anomalies aren't a huge amount of isk, so sharing them and splitting the bounties gets you into diminishing returns real fast. I've put together ratting fleets to either help newbees who can't quite tank an anom on their own, ratting with a hostile bomber in system, or doing sec status grinding.

You have to run 3 Forsaken Hubs just to buy a BC hull, 4 if you want a tier3 BC. The loot isn't usually worth all that much either because they drop the same stuff as as they do in highsec. We usually let the newbees have the salvage so they can make some isk until they get into their own ratting ships.

Actually i didn't say anything about the logic to get rid of local. I'm neither pro or against it. Considering 0.0 gameplay is so different from WH gameplay it's hard to determine how removing local would play out. It might ruin everything or make things tons more interesting.

The thing is, there is null and null. If you're wandering alone in null it's dangerous. If you're mining in some back water system as a part of a coallition you're safer than in high sec. The safety of null mainly depends on who you are and what you're doing. On top of that a lot of people blow up because they want to. When you go out on a roam you expect PVP so if you blow up it's not because of a lack of safety.

No, it's not. The mistake is thinking that to deduce what would happen to 0.0 with no local you need to look at WH space.

solution to what? the pressing problem of too much pvp in 0.0?