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Xander Phoenix
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-01 23:16:21 UTC
I have one simple question that I haven't been able to get a simple answer to. Can you attack a player in Highsec if he has a bounty but doesn't have any flags up?
Pyre leFay
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-01 23:17:24 UTC
Simply Yes.
what happens afterward well...
Xander Phoenix
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-01 23:18:37 UTC
Let me clarify. Can I attack them without Concord showing up and attacking Me?
Pyre leFay
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-02-01 23:19:45 UTC
No.
Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#5 - 2013-02-01 23:20:13 UTC
Xander Phoenix wrote:
Let me clarify. Can I attack them without Concord showing up and attacking Me?


Very unlikely but I dont undock so maybe you can do this, try it and find out
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#6 - 2013-02-01 23:43:48 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
Xander Phoenix wrote:
Let me clarify. Can I attack them without Concord showing up and attacking Me?


Very unlikely but I dont undock so maybe you can do this, try it and find out



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Skorpynekomimi
#7 - 2013-02-01 23:58:22 UTC
Xander Phoenix wrote:
Let me clarify. Can I attack them without Concord showing up and attacking Me?


Yes, but...

Xander Phoenix wrote:
I have one simple question that I haven't been able to get a simple answer to. Can you attack a player in Highsec if he has a bounty but doesn't have any flags up?


Not without kill rights on them, IIRC. A bounty does not mean you can be shot. It just means you have 'SHOOT ME' painted on you.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-02-02 00:01:56 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
A bounty does not mean you can be shot.

Correct. Being in space does.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-02 00:56:54 UTC
Yes, but only if you use a ship with an estimated total of above 3 billion. Concord won't punish the rich.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#10 - 2013-02-02 00:59:28 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yes, but only if you use a ship with an estimated total of above 3 billion. Concord won't punish the rich.

Shhhh.... He's not supposed to know this yet.

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-02-02 01:21:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yes, but only if you use a ship with an estimated total of above 3 billion. Concord won't punish the rich.


That's not actually totally accurate. Beyond 1b there's a chance they won't respond. It increased with ship value. At 3b I believe it's about 40% chance of response and at 6b it's 10% chance of response.

It never gets to zero, but less than 1% chance is pretty expensive.

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terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-02 05:48:28 UTC
All these people are trolling you. You can shoot them without Concord blowing you up afterwards. Do it.Now.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#13 - 2013-02-02 05:50:29 UTC
Flags means yes
no flags means no

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Whitehound
#14 - 2013-02-02 10:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Xander Phoenix wrote:
I have one simple question that I haven't been able to get a simple answer to. Can you attack a player in Highsec if he has a bounty but doesn't have any flags up?

You can attack any player in high-sec regardless of flags. You will need to set your safety to red/off however. CONCORD will then shoot you and you will lose sec. status.

A bounty does not change any of the mechanics. It is just a payment you get when you kill someone or something (including POS modules).

If you are after a very high bounty in high-sec then you can try to suicide gank the player. You can wait for the player to fly a shuttle or a frigate, kill it and then podkill him. The destruction of the small ship will pay you almost nothing in bounties, but the loss of an expensive clone, possibly with expensive implants, can give you a very high payout. CONCORD will still shoot you and you will lose sec. status.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#15 - 2013-02-02 11:13:24 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Xander Phoenix wrote:
I have one simple question that I haven't been able to get a simple answer to. Can you attack a player in Highsec if he has a bounty but doesn't have any flags up?

You can attack any player in high-sec regardless of flags. You will need to set your safety to red/off however. CONCORD will then shoot you and you will lose sec. status.

A bounty does not change any of the mechanics. It is just a payment you get when you kill someone or something (including POS modules).

If you are after a very high bounty in high-sec then you can try to suicide gank the player. You can wait for the player to fly a shuttle or a frigate, kill it and then podkill him. The destruction of the small ship will pay you almost nothing in bounties, but the loss of an expensive clone, possibly with expensive implants, can give you a very high payout. CONCORD will still shoot you and you will lose sec. status.

True but in addition to that... It's quite unlikely that your ship survives after you started attacking the shuttle/frigate (depending on the sec-status and on how close CONCORD is). So there's a chance that you have to get another ship before you're able to actually pod the guy (which would, hopefully for you, earn you a lot of bounty. As stated this depends on the total ISK-loss of the killed ship/pod).

Next to that keep in mind that the guy you killed will have kill-rights on -you- for 30 days. These kill-rights can be sold to anyone by this person, for any given price stated by this player. So if he sells the kill-right on you for 0 ISK you are from then on, until this kill-right expires, free to be killed anywhere in space. This kill-right will be removed if the person with the kill-right on you kills you or if anybody else kills you in behalf of that player (meaning they bought the kill-right he was selling).

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Whitehound
#16 - 2013-02-02 11:29:19 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:
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You are safe. You have no bounty on you, so don't worry.

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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#17 - 2013-02-02 11:50:59 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
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You are safe. You have no bounty on you, so don't worry.

I doubt that tbh... Especially if the pilot you just killed does place a bounty on you. Flying around in a cheap ship in crowded area's probably does the trick, but still...

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#18 - 2013-02-02 12:24:15 UTC
Wage war upon them.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-02-02 22:00:12 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:
I doubt that tbh... Especially if the pilot you just killed does place a bounty on you. Flying around in a cheap ship in crowded area's probably does the trick, but still...

I got suicide ganked once in Jita while flying a T1 frigate, carrying nothing, and fitting only a T2 MWD.
The ganker was flying a Thrasher.
At the time the new bounty system had just come out less than a week earlier, and my alliance had something like 600 mill on it. I suppose he probably thought if he ganked me he'd get the whole bounty.
Imagine his surprise.

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Rengerel en Distel
#20 - 2013-02-02 23:00:09 UTC
Xander Phoenix wrote:
I have one simple question that I haven't been able to get a simple answer to. Can you attack a player in Highsec if he has a bounty but doesn't have any flags up?


I assume you were unable to get the answer to that question because you didn't want to look it up?

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