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WHY IS CCP DOING a 20% HP REDUCTION ON ALL SUPER/TITANS
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SuperBeastie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-25 15:55:04 UTC
A aeon has = or better hp to all titans do the math


with a type enam and x type hardeners armor ships with slave set and zet 5000 shield kva 3000
Aeon 55.4m
Hel 30.5
Nyx 35.9
Wyvern 43.3

Avatar 56.5
Erebus 46.6
Levi 54.7
Rag 51.4

so how the hell does lower them all by 20% fix the problem of balancing them

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Kavrae Veila
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-25 15:57:59 UTC
If you would read their statements, this is meant to balance them against other ship classes, not against each other.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#3 - 2011-10-25 15:58:36 UTC
SuperBeastie wrote:
A aeon has = or better hp to all titans do the math


with a type enam and x type hardeners armor ships with slave set and zet 5000 shield kva 3000
Aeon 55.4m
Hel 30.5
Nyx 35.9
Wyvern 43.3

Avatar 56.5
Erebus 46.6
Levi 54.7
Rag 51.4

so how the hell does lower them all by 20% fix the problem of balancing them


It's not a balance, it's a nerf. It's to make them easier to kill. I thought the clusterf*cks wanted this nerf?

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
stoicfaux
#4 - 2011-10-25 16:02:13 UTC
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WHY IS CCP DOING a 20% HP REDUCTION ON ALL SUPER/TITANS


Because CCP can no longer afford the 20% increase in bandwidth caused by thread titles typed in ALL CAPS, so they have to reduce bandwidth by making supers and titans die sooner.

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Kavrae Veila
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-25 16:07:15 UTC
I would also like to be a bit nit-picky and say that "nerfing" is a form of balance.
Party Lips
Calamitous-Intent
#6 - 2011-10-25 16:07:51 UTC
so we don't have to sit there for so long killing them
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#7 - 2011-10-25 16:17:11 UTC
Kavrae Veila wrote:
I would also like to be a bit nit-picky and say that "nerfing" is a form of balance.


Agreed, but OP was assuming that the balance was between the supers, and the balance is more between supers, and caps.

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SuperBeastie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-25 16:27:02 UTC
but its just pants on head ******** to remove 20% from the hel the worst super and 20% from the aeon the best which has double the ehp of a hel

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Kavrae Veila
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-25 16:31:15 UTC
I think you missed the point. The idea is to bring their EHP back in line with other ship types while keeping it equal relative to one-another. The EHP ratio between them stays the same.

When they balance them relative to each other, THEN you can complain about one having more EHP than another.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2011-10-25 16:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
SuperBeastie wrote:
but its just pants on head ******** to remove 20% from the hel the worst super and 20% from the aeon the best which has double the ehp of a hel


You're assuming that's the only change coming, aren't you? Maybe, just maybe, CCP has also said that they are specifically looking at Minmatar caps and supers?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#11 - 2011-10-25 16:32:55 UTC
Um ... the nerf isn't targeted at any specific super, it's designed to bring the EHP of all supers closer to manageable levels. No one is arguing that the Hel could use a bit of a buff, but that's not what the super HP reduction is about at all.
SuperBeastie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-25 16:36:34 UTC
I just don't understand how they can adjust 100's of modules http://pastebin.com/TkY3rY6q but they can't go hey the aeon has more ehp than any titan lets lower that down a bit to bring it in line with the other supers

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SuperBeastie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-25 16:38:51 UTC
I guess my problem is not really that the super caps are getting nerfed it that ALL titans have less ehp than a aeon

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Kavrae Veila
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-25 16:40:21 UTC
SuperBeastie wrote:
I just don't understand how they can adjust 100's of modules http://pastebin.com/TkY3rY6q but they can't go hey the aeon has more ehp than any titan lets lower that down a bit to bring it in line with the other supers


Have you taken the other attributes of the supercaps into account, or only the EHP?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#15 - 2011-10-25 16:42:57 UTC
SuperBeastie wrote:
I guess my problem is not really that the super caps are getting nerfed it that ALL titans have less ehp than a aeon


Keep in mind that this will actually hit the Aeon more than other ships (though maybe not enough, but it's still something).

Say the Aeon has 60M EHP and the Hel has 30M EHP (round numbers for easier math).

Removing 20% of the Aeon's EHP: 60M * 0.8 = 48M EHP, 12M EHP removed.
Removing 20% of the Hel's EHP: 30M * 0.8 = 24M EHP, 6M EHP removed.

The Hel still needs a buff, but the Aeon does get hit more than the Hel by a global 20% EHP nerf.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#16 - 2011-10-25 16:46:40 UTC
SuperBeastie wrote:
but its just pants on head ******** to remove 20% from the hel the worst super and 20% from the aeon the best which has double the ehp of a hel




Agree that the Hel needs to be improved compared to the other supers, but that is not what this is about.

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2011-10-25 16:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nex apparatu5
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SuperBeastie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-25 16:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: SuperBeastie
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
SuperBeastie wrote:
but its just pants on head ******** to remove 20% from the hel the worst super and 20% from the aeon the best which has double the ehp of a hel




Agree that the Hel needs to be improved compared to the other supers, but that is not what this is about.


you're right that's not the point the point is supers should not have the same ehp as a titan that costs 4 times as much to build

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thrulinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-25 17:36:40 UTC  |  Edited by: thrulinn
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-10-25 19:06:47 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:

so how the hell does lower them all by 20% fix the problem of balancing them


It's not a balance, it's a nerf. It's to make them easier to kill. I thought the clusterf*cks wanted this nerf?[/quote]


Nerfing is part of balancing. Balance doesn't = buff
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