Warfare & Tactics

THIS. And we get a high five too! But whether or not Fozzie washes his hands before giving them out is still a question.

Caldari Medal - Awarded June 2009

June, 2009 4,016
May, 2009 4,165
April, 2009 4,009
March, 2009 3,432
= 15,622 kills

Gallente Medal - Awarded January 2013

January, 2013 10,410
December, 2012 8,168
= 18,578 kills

So we killed more in two months earning our medal, then in four months that it took the Caldari to earn theirs.

Please tell me again how we didn't earn our medal but that you guys earned yours?

you said it like this is somehow bad

There are now likely more pilots active in faction war so the overall kills may go up, even though the sov war involves less pvp. How they calculate the number of pilots changed kills per player are impossible to calculate.

The key is Gallente captured @ 4xs as many plexes per kill as the caldari did. This suggests that fw occupancy is even more pve than it was when caldari capped all the systems. The numbers show the changes just made it worse for those who wanted sov to be focused on pvp.

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with.

I think you gallente captured all the systems on january 12th. Most of January's kills were after the fact.

Second As you gained systems you gained players. You can see and the big spike in the number of gallente pilots in january on this graph:

http://facwarstats.appspot.com/

You went rom 3664 on jan 9th to 4394 on january 14th and ended january with 4889. With that many mroe pilots one would expect the kills to go from 6k to 10k.

Where are you getting your statistics btw?

Like I said yes the number of kills has gone up as the number of players has gone up. But for someone who was hoping they would make fw sov a pvp game the numbers suggest they went the opposite way.

Gallente were capturing 4xs as many plexes per kill as the caldari were. This is the best data we have on this issue, and it strongly suggests that the sov war is much less of a pvp game than it was years ago.

edit: as of today it is showing Gallente had 2763 kills last week. Clearly this is after the push for sov yet it equates to 11,973 kills per month. So it should be clear that the increase in pvp had more to to with the increase in numbers of pilots than with any sort of sov push.

Evekill Stats. And the numbers went towards non contributing farmers more then actually PVP entities. Shoot I have 2 deplexing accounts even. Take a look at most violent systems for the month of January. All of them were where major Caldari strong holds were. Now I am not saying sovereign is pve, because it is everywhere in eve. This was mostly directed at those saying that we didn't earn it and it was earned with "great fights" in 2009.

My my, aren't we bitter. a "carebear race"? So that's what you want to claim now, all the FEDEF players are carebears?

Do you even know what a carebear is and what the term mean in EVE Online?

Granted its been used so much that the term is nearly useless now, but when I was a wee little noob, "Carebear" was a negative term for PVP averse, industry minded players. Players whose enjoyment of the game stemmed SOLELY from loads of PVE. Mining, missioning, ratting, that sort of thing. A Carebear would typically run off as soon as any PVP came knocking on their door. Many PVP minded players hate that, but they usually fail to realize that players who pay for this game can play the game as they please, and the people who enjoy PVP and PVE in equal measure don't fit the term. Your average FEDEF player then can't be carebears - they do to much PVP for that to be even remotely true.

No matter, let's get to the important part relevant to FW.

You obviously mean to whine about plex farmers, especially FEDEF ones. Those are in all the factions, and if you want to claim to have never seen one in the Caldari or Amarr FW camps you are either intentionally ignoring them, or are lying through your teeth to us about them.

Farmers, being carebears, usually try to avoid PVP to go for the most profit. They move around alot. Through space and the various militias. I recall Caldari had loads of plexing alts running around. I ESPECIALLY recall the period when you did not have to shoot one measly little rat and could just orbit the button for your victory. Yeah that was BAD.

Finally, having again pointed out my advice for you and why the medal earned was indeed well earned, and why claiming the FEDEF is the 'carebear faction' is idiotic, I will finish this with a short bit of objective truth.

Carebears are omnipresent in EVE online.

You likely know this as well as I do. There is hardly a single part of EVE online they are not part of, and FW is no exception. Complaining about them will not stop them. You will need to find ways to cope. If the Amarr were winning plenty of ground the farmers would be joining them to leech of their progress. Many of them have leeched of the Caldari, Minmatar and Federal players all in turn. You can not stop this with any game mechanic - so long as there are ways to fight in FW and gains to be had, they will be there, the eye-sore you can't get rid off.

For your own sake, I hope you can get past the issue of farmers and play the game without all this drama. Most of the FEDEF seem to manage, after all.

Wow, you'll use literally any excuse, won't you?

Have you been in the plexes to see how many plexxers run at the first sign of a pvper? If you have you would agree that the plexing war is a carebear race. Its not just gallente its all of faction war.

It has only gotten worse after the changes. The number of plexes the gallente capture per kill is about four times higher than the number of plexes the caldari captured per kill back in 2009. Look at my posts where I give links to the data. Or play the game and see how much hide and seek plexing we have now.

Oh is he still posting? I turned him off a few days ago.