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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#21 - 2013-02-01 01:50:56 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Hi all,

Moving people around in fleet is fun, because basically everything that requires 4 levels of context menu is.

As fun as it is, I thought it would be handier to allow commanders to drag people around in the fleet, so in the build we have on Sisi today you can do just that.



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Xtrah
Overload This
#22 - 2013-02-01 14:23:36 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dear CCP Karkur,

Please make it so that we can save and reuse fleet configs, including wing and squad titles and MoTD.

Love,

Malc


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Master CJ
Gold Moon Industries
DammFam
#23 - 2013-02-01 15:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Master CJ
A nice feature indeed.

edit: consider this a reply to the people who requested/proposed fleet-boss dropping fixes

*** add a second/third free move option (don't change the existing rules) to allow free move to wing- and/or fleet-commanders.

Furthermore an option to make a corp/alliance fleet boss in order to avoid dropping adverts when someone disconnects would be nice.

Theese are my suggestions but definately not mine alone, pretty much every corp/alliance i have been in in the past years countless people have been asking for this or similar, so while you are at it, maybe add 20 more lines of code, pretty please :)
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#24 - 2013-02-01 15:59:41 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Allandri wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Did you fix the fact that EVERY SINGLE TIME someone moves in fleet the fleet members window resets and scrolls all the way to the top again?

Because if not, then this feature will quickly become extremely irritating to use.


I noticed this happening today

It's happens every now and then, definitely not always. I can look into why it's not staying where it should be.

Looked into it, and fixed it (as far as I can tell) Smile

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Allandri
Liandri Industrial
#25 - 2013-02-01 19:17:48 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:

Looked into it, and fixed it (as far as I can tell) Smile


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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#26 - 2013-02-01 21:05:01 UTC
Since you're already mucking about in that code, a while back I noticed that the fleet window's reported position for you (wing & squad) sometimes doesn't match where you really are. (In a large fleet, finding oneself in the fleet window can be a real chore.) I don't know what causes this, and I don't know if it has been fixed in the recent past.

MDD
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-02-01 21:07:30 UTC
MailDeadDrop wrote:
Since you're already mucking about in that code, a while back I noticed that the fleet window's reported position for you (wing & squad) sometimes doesn't match where you really are. (In a large fleet, finding oneself in the fleet window can be a real chore.) I don't know what causes this, and I don't know if it has been fixed in the recent past.

MDD

I've bug reported this and it came back a day later as "not reproducible."
Which is ridiculous seeing as it happens to me in almost every fleet I'm in.

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2013-02-01 21:18:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
MailDeadDrop wrote:
Since you're already mucking about in that code, a while back I noticed that the fleet window's reported position for you (wing & squad) sometimes doesn't match where you really are. (In a large fleet, finding oneself in the fleet window can be a real chore.) I don't know what causes this, and I don't know if it has been fixed in the recent past.

MDD

I've bug reported this and it came back a day later as "not reproducible."
Which is ridiculous seeing as it happens to me in almost every fleet I'm in.

so you are saying the green thing I added is not on the correct character and the green arrows not on the correct wing/squad?

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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#29 - 2013-02-01 21:25:36 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
so you are saying the green thing I added is not on the correct character and the green arrows not on the correct wing/squad?

No, sorry. James and I are talking about buggy behavior in the existing Tranquility client. The fleet window, in the window title, lists the wing and squad you're in. Unfortunately, the information displayed is often wrong, but I wasn't able to determine a rationale to the wrong-ness.

MDD
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#30 - 2013-02-01 21:34:33 UTC
MailDeadDrop wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
so you are saying the green thing I added is not on the correct character and the green arrows not on the correct wing/squad?

No, sorry. James and I are talking about buggy behavior in the existing Tranquility client. The fleet window, in the window title, lists the wing and squad you're in. Unfortunately, the information displayed is often wrong, but I wasn't able to determine a rationale to the wrong-ness.

MDD

yeah sorry, I meant the green thing I added in Retribution... so you are saying just the title is wrong, or have you noticed something off about the green highlights and arrows?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-02-01 23:48:41 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
CCP karkur wrote:
MailDeadDrop wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
so you are saying the green thing I added is not on the correct character and the green arrows not on the correct wing/squad?

No, sorry. James and I are talking about buggy behavior in the existing Tranquility client. The fleet window, in the window title, lists the wing and squad you're in. Unfortunately, the information displayed is often wrong, but I wasn't able to determine a rationale to the wrong-ness.

MDD

yeah sorry, I meant the green thing I added in Retribution... so you are saying just the title is wrong, or have you noticed something off about the green highlights and arrows?

No, the green stuff is pretty much always right from what I can tell, but yes the window title is what's inaccurate.
Normally this wouldn't be a problem but when combined with the window resetting when you try to scroll to find which squad you're in (which you say you've fixed, so that's awesome) it can be problematic.

The ID for the bug report I filed on this particular issue is 136623.
Ignore the screenshot that's attached, I don't know how that got there but it's entirely unrelated to the problem.

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Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
#32 - 2013-02-02 22:06:46 UTC
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:
Razul Ora'mac wrote:
Will there be any way to regain control of the Fleet if the Fleet-Boss dc's and the AFK-Fleet Booster gets the Star?
+2

Fleet boss disconnect, followed by semi-random new fleet boss assignment, is a major pain point. Please give us a way to designate a backup!


Stop using afk boosters then. This will also be fixed soon enough when boosts are forced to be on grid.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#33 - 2013-02-03 00:16:08 UTC
Can you now do the jumpclone UI? Pretty please :)

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wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-02-03 12:24:05 UTC  |  Edited by: wallenbergaren
CCP karkur wrote:
Here is my understanding of the moving rules, please let me now if you know better P
  • a fleet commander or fleet owner can move anyone around in the fleet
  • wing commander can move anyone around in their own wing
  • a squad commander can demote him/herself to be a squad member (not sure that works right now though)
  • with free move, anyone can move themselves to any squad in the fleet, but not make themselves fleet/wing commanders


With free move on anyone can take up squad / wing / fleet command positions that are vacant (tq behaviour). Also, right now I think only the fleet boss can move other people but I guess it makes sense for wing / fleet commanders to have that power too.
Luxotor
This Cyno Will Eventually Make Sense
#35 - 2013-02-03 12:42:43 UTC
A simple but warmly welcomed improvement in user interface design.

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CHDestroyer
Final DestyNation
#36 - 2013-02-03 14:18:12 UTC
Well that sounds nice =)

But, by doing this can you please remove the "what-happen-if-double-click" from watchlist? Or give me a option to disable "double-klick-on-character"? Cause this "feature" is badly annoying as a Logisticspilot.

I'm not interested in Convos with my Fleetmates nor do i need to see their charinfo. If so, there are tons of other ways to do so.

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Mister Vee
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-02-03 15:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Vee
Hi Karkur - thanks for this addition, it's definitely useful. While we're on the subject, here's a wishlist for the fleet window:

- Allow multiple people to be dragged to another position in fleet at the same time. Alternatively: add an option that allows the fc/boss to move everyone from wing a to wing b. This is especially useful when consolidating a fleet into a lesser number o fwings for bonuses

- It's currently not possible to move someone into membership of an empty squad, they become squad leaders automatically. This might be a lot of effort to fix for something this marginal, but hey

The following aren't really UI issues, but here it goes anyway:

- Please add the 'scout' option back to the fleet window. Members with scout role do not get fleet warped

- Add 'expand full wing' and 'expand full fleet' options to fleet menu, so avoid lots of unnecessary clicking. (Yes, I'm a Goon, we need lots of space in fleet ok.)

- Allow squads/wings or even full fleets to be restricted to specific shiptypes. This allows for customizable fleets where all the different shiptypes (dps, logistics, ewar) go into pre-setup squads where the correct boosters can easily be setup. This also ensures the fleet will have enough room for logistics, because several squads would be 'reserved' for them.

Ofcourse, as suggested already, saving these as (exportable) presets would be ideal.

I realize this is very complex and might not be necessary if a full fleet mechanic overhaul is being looked at/worked on. However, we can come a long way to this if:

- Ship type is shown in the fleet window (not just fleet composition). In combination with easy drag & drop fleet movement, we can quickly shuffle the fleet and respective boosters around to their correct setup. Perhaps their leadership skills could be shown, too.

Hopefully the above can be considered.

edit: restricting squads is probably really hard to do, with the current mechanic not registering people that are docked, also weird stuff would happen if people change shiptypes. Just show shiptypes in fleet window, pretty please with a cherry on top
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#38 - 2013-02-04 06:54:58 UTC
just imagine the size of the right click menu if all that ^ would be implemented.

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-02-04 19:23:53 UTC
Please remove the Quit Corp option from the fleet dropdown menu. Seriously, why is this even here? This has no relevance to fleet operations.

You might as well include a Biomass Character option in the fleet dropdown menu for all the sense it makes, which is none.

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Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-02-05 16:11:52 UTC
Mister Vee wrote:
Hi Karkur - thanks for this addition, it's definitely useful. While we're on the subject, here's a wishlist for the fleet window:

- Allow multiple people to be dragged to another position in fleet at the same time. Alternatively: add an option that allows the fc/boss to move everyone from wing a to wing b. This is especially useful when consolidating a fleet into a lesser number o fwings for bonuses

- It's currently not possible to move someone into membership of an empty squad, they become squad leaders automatically. This might be a lot of effort to fix for something this marginal, but hey

The following aren't really UI issues, but here it goes anyway:

- Please add the 'scout' option back to the fleet window. Members with scout role do not get fleet warped

- Add 'expand full wing' and 'expand full fleet' options to fleet menu, so avoid lots of unnecessary clicking. (Yes, I'm a Goon, we need lots of space in fleet ok.)

- Allow squads/wings or even full fleets to be restricted to specific shiptypes. This allows for customizable fleets where all the different shiptypes (dps, logistics, ewar) go into pre-setup squads where the correct boosters can easily be setup. This also ensures the fleet will have enough room for logistics, because several squads would be 'reserved' for them.

Ofcourse, as suggested already, saving these as (exportable) presets would be ideal.

I realize this is very complex and might not be necessary if a full fleet mechanic overhaul is being looked at/worked on. However, we can come a long way to this if:

- Ship type is shown in the fleet window (not just fleet composition). In combination with easy drag & drop fleet movement, we can quickly shuffle the fleet and respective boosters around to their correct setup. Perhaps their leadership skills could be shown, too.

Hopefully the above can be considered.

edit: restricting squads is probably really hard to do, with the current mechanic not registering people that are docked, also weird stuff would happen if people change shiptypes. Just show shiptypes in fleet window, pretty please with a cherry on top


The drag and drop option is awesome and I agree with Vee's Wishlist but would like to add that you have to jump through hoops to get assigned fleet boosters to work IE: My character is in the Fleet Command Posistion but I remove the fleet boost from myself and assign fleet boost to another character, once this is done all that happens is the little spinny loading circle just spins and never applies fleet boost.

And can you please move the "Leave Fleet" button away from the "Add Wing" button when you right click Fleet Command position (i may or may not have left fleet trying to expand it a few times)

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