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So i wanna mine in lowsec...

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#21 - 2013-01-30 18:08:15 UTC
If the skiff had a +3-4 warp strength with the procurer a +2They might actually be able to mine in hostile space as the ship description indicates. But even then the risk, combined with having to warp out often, It is just not worth the effort.

However as I stated before, it can be done with a venture, there is just no reason to as you will be making less isk/hr than mining ice in high sec.
Crexa
Ion Industrials
#22 - 2013-01-30 23:09:08 UTC
Just don't ok. Just don't. Low sec is always tempting, and if you can find a out of the way system then perhaps but you are taking the same risk that all null sec take. Do as others suggested, join a 0.0 corp/alliance and forget lowsec. I really really wish CCP would do something with lowsec for the industrialist. And no, moon goo doesn't count.

"F=ma, so obviously they're putting mouths against arses to produce a force." "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?"

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#23 - 2013-01-30 23:23:10 UTC
Crexa wrote:
I really really wish CCP would do something with lowsec for the industrialist. And no, moon goo doesn't count.



I've said for 3 years it's just a sad waste of space.

Is there really a need for a 'buffer zone" between High and Null ?

Perhaps just make Low a part of High and continuing to scale down CONCORD response accordingly ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-01-31 00:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Debra Tao
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Crexa wrote:
I really really wish CCP would do something with lowsec for the industrialist. And no, moon goo doesn't count.



I've said for 3 years it's just a sad waste of space.

Is there really a need for a 'buffer zone" between High and Null ?

Perhaps just make Low a part of High and continuing to scale down CONCORD response accordingly ?



Low sec offers a place with specific rules for pvp and a great community. Deleting low sec would make a lot of people really sad Ugh

Also low sec offers reactions and an easy place for capital manufacturing, that may not be much compared to high sec but null sec isn't better.
KATASKOPOS
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-01-31 10:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: KATASKOPOS
Fly to Tsuruma system at Black Rise region, a 0.5 system with Hemorphite at the abandoned mining colony....Also there you can find kernite and omber in the same place, plus you got the regular empire ore type belts....!!!!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2013-01-31 13:03:53 UTC
Debra Tao wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Crexa wrote:
I really really wish CCP would do something with lowsec for the industrialist. And no, moon goo doesn't count.



I've said for 3 years it's just a sad waste of space.

Is there really a need for a 'buffer zone" between High and Null ?

Perhaps just make Low a part of High and continuing to scale down CONCORD response accordingly ?



Low sec offers a place with specific rules for pvp and a great community. Deleting low sec would make a lot of people really sad Ugh

Also low sec offers reactions and an easy place for capital manufacturing, that may not be much compared to high sec but null sec isn't better.



Which also brings up why on Earth are Boosters and their accompanying Reactions restricted to Low Sec ? There is no shortage of 'contraband' in the highest places in society in Real Life ? Makes no sense at all.

Also, if Low were made into "High" Sec, CONCORD response could be nullified with the new dueling system being put into place soon.

True PvP belongs in the Wild West anyway. Null Sec.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-01-31 16:17:41 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

True PvP belongs in the Wild West anyway. Null Sec.



Now i know that you are a troll.
Zenito
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#28 - 2013-01-31 18:41:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Which also brings up why on Earth are Boosters and their accompanying Reactions restricted to Low Sec ? There is no shortage of 'contraband' in the highest places in society in Real Life ? Makes no sense at all.



Because the carrying and manufacture of drugs is and should be illegal in high-sec.
You don't see many meth labs on the high street, do you?
Makes perfect sense to me.

To the OP: ignore the nay-sayers - get out there in a cheap Venture and just do it! Ninja-mining and getting away with it is a fun and rewarding experience!
(If you stumble across any cytoserocin, sell it to me P)


Zenitoka Katanga

Clan Chieftain

"A fair bargain leaves both sides unhappy."

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2013-01-31 18:46:14 UTC
Zenito wrote:

You don't see many meth labs on the high street, do you?




In America, yes we do. Even the more affluent suburbs. Sad but true.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2013-01-31 18:46:59 UTC
Zenito wrote:


Because the carrying and manufacture of drugs is and should be illegal in high-sec.




Also, you state this but give no reason.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-02-01 07:56:04 UTC
Don't litsten to the naysayers. It is entirely profitable to mine in lowsec, perhaps even more so. There are some lowsec systems that rarely get visited. Once you know your locals, it's pretty easy to differentiate the harmless from the hostile.

The great thing about lowsec mining are the LARGE roids. Freaken HUGE. You can cherrypick the best ones for yourself, suck em dry and not worry about competition. It's like having an entire playground to yourself.

Yeah people will try to gank your ship. But if you're in a sparsely populated system, you can spot gankers a mile away and just dock until they disappear off local. You can help reduce attention to yourself by having -sec status, some bounty and your own PVP-sounding corp ("Midnight Mercs" or whatever). A ganker who'll look you up via local will automatically assume that you're some PVPer and move on.

When transporting minerals back to empire, just use a scout and you'll survive 99% of the time.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2013-02-01 11:38:06 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:


Yeah people will try to gank your ship. But if you're in a sparsely populated system, you can spot gankers a mile away and just dock until they disappear off local.



99.9999% of the time they will not just disappear off local.

There is a thing called d-scan, ya know. Can easily waste 1/2 an hour trying to outwit them and some don't give up.

Bad idea is still bad idea.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#33 - 2013-02-01 11:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Well I am mining in low sec at the moment, setup a Venture with a cloak, found a 0.2 system for the roids I wanted and so far no interruptions. The trick is simple, if you have one of those that decide to keep going after you just decamp to another system and if they use D-Scan and not probes you can really waste their time if you want to have some fun, part of the fun of this is to do it because someone wants to stop you!!!

[Venture, Drac 1]
Damage Control II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Shield Extender II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I

Miner II
Miner II
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Engine Thermal Shielding I
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

Hobgoblin II x2

Enjoy!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dave Stark
#34 - 2013-02-01 12:45:11 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Don't litsten to the naysayers. It is entirely profitable to mine in lowsec, perhaps even more so. There are some lowsec systems that rarely get visited. Once you know your locals, it's pretty easy to differentiate the harmless from the hostile.

The great thing about lowsec mining are the LARGE roids. Freaken HUGE. You can cherrypick the best ones for yourself, suck em dry and not worry about competition. It's like having an entire playground to yourself.

Yeah people will try to gank your ship. But if you're in a sparsely populated system, you can spot gankers a mile away and just dock until they disappear off local. You can help reduce attention to yourself by having -sec status, some bounty and your own PVP-sounding corp ("Midnight Mercs" or whatever). A ganker who'll look you up via local will automatically assume that you're some PVPer and move on.

When transporting minerals back to empire, just use a scout and you'll survive 99% of the time.


complete bollocks.

if it's so profitable, why is the volume mined in low sec line literally humping the x axis?

also, all of the factors you metioned above, geting ganked, transportation issues, etc. are going to suck any profits you *might* make, straight down the pan. it isn't profitable to mine in low sec, as such, we can see why almost no volume is mined in low sec.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#35 - 2013-02-01 12:58:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
complete bollocks.

if it's so profitable, why is the volume mined in low sec line literally humping the x axis?

also, all of the factors you metioned above, geting ganked, transportation issues, etc. are going to suck any profits you *might* make, straight down the pan. it isn't profitable to mine in low sec, as such, we can see why almost no volume is mined in low sec.


Volume, lol, I am after Hemorphite, volume is of course low because you are not going to use high volume mining ships that require Concord or the blue donut. Also I have just paid for my Venture 10 times over in the short time I have done this, so if you want to do mining that is fun get into low sec in a venture and go for the best ores in low sec!!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dave Stark
#36 - 2013-02-01 13:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Dracvlad wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
complete bollocks.

if it's so profitable, why is the volume mined in low sec line literally humping the x axis?

also, all of the factors you metioned above, geting ganked, transportation issues, etc. are going to suck any profits you *might* make, straight down the pan. it isn't profitable to mine in low sec, as such, we can see why almost no volume is mined in low sec.


Volume, lol, I am after Hemorphite, volume is of course low because you are not going to use high volume mining ships that require Concord or the blue donut. Also I have just paid for my Venture 10 times over in the short time I have done this, so if you want to do mining that is fun get into low sec in a venture and go for the best ores in low sec!!!!


would you like to make a reply that makes sense?

if you want to have fun you wouldn't be mining. stop using "fun" like it's a logical reason for mining in the worst area of space in the lowest yield ship, even more so when "fun" boils down to "more effort for less reward". the very simple fact is mining in low sec is a ******** idea, as i just demonstrated.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#37 - 2013-02-01 14:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Dave Stark,

Obviously you do not mine, I play in various different areas of this game, but what pulls my chain does not necessarily work with you, that you do not understand what I am getting at makes no difference to the fact that certain types of players will find mining in low sec with Ventures fun.

Volume is of course low because its not the sort of place that you can use a mining barge or exhumer, your point being the typical one that yield is low or isk/efficiency is low, that not many people mine in low sec because volumes are low, well yes that is true, its easy enough for me when I mine in HS when I want to make more T1 PvP ships for myself to mine more of the low end ores sell them and buy Zydrine. But doing this low sec mining I can get hold of it myself and have fun with what are generally the better PvP'rs in the game trying to kill me. As I do not plex to pay for my accounts I don't care about yield, efficiency for me is to not be killed easily.

The OP wants to try it out, good on him, I find it fun and have been doing it for some time on and off when I am not in null, and I have not yet lost a mining ship nor have I lost any of the ore I mined. Does that help?

Regards

Dracvlad

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#38 - 2013-02-01 14:55:09 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Crexa wrote:
I really really wish CCP would do something with lowsec for the industrialist. And no, moon goo doesn't count.



I've said for 3 years it's just a sad waste of space.

Is there really a need for a 'buffer zone" between High and Null ?

Perhaps just make Low a part of High and continuing to scale down CONCORD response accordingly ?

Low sec is the "War Zone" between opposing empire factions, and the no man's land between high sec and null sec. The outskirts of civilization where there are traces of empire control, but no real safety. This area is not meant for industrialists, it is meant for fighting, a place for criminals to hide, and pirates to lurk. It is as it should be.

The only changes low sec needed was the faction wars stuff it just got, although still not a perfect system, faction wars space is a "War Zone". Who in their right mind would try to run industry in a War Zone? The only industry that belongs there is logistic supply chains for the war/pvp that happens there. When the USA went to war with Iraq did they build factories in Iraq to build their tanks and guns or did they ship them in? A "War Zone" is not a place for industry.

"High sec" is a safe place for industry, where you are protected by the controlling empires and concord. "Low sec" is a safe place for PVPers where you will not get concorded for attacking someone. "Null sec" is a place where players can build there own empires, and make there own rules.

For a real life comparison go to a City like New York. Manhattan or times square would be High sec. Relatively safe but not crime free. Harlem or area's referred to as the getto would be low sec. Still part of the city, but police stay out and criminals reign. Then leave the city and drive out into the empty county side, sparse settlements, and seemingly endless open space. Welcome to NULL sec.
Dave Stark
#39 - 2013-02-01 15:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Dracvlad wrote:
Dave Stark,

Obviously you do not mine


except mining is all i do, so good luck with that one.

anyway, i get it, you want to be self sufficient. however don't use "i want to waste half of my time to say "i did it all"" as a justification to call low sec a good place to mine.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#40 - 2013-02-01 15:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Dave Stark wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Dave Stark,

Obviously you do not mine


except mining is all i do, so good luck with that one.

anyway, i get it, you want to be self sufficient. however don't use "i want to waste half of my time to say "i did it all"" as a justification to call low sec a good place to mine.


Apologies but this sentence "if you want to have fun you wouldn't be mining" made me think that, in which case your fixated on yield and I understand that, my point of view its a fun place to mine because you have to use your wits to do it, plus the I did it all and not rely on Concord, and it can be profitable. Obviously if you are a full on miner with multiple accounts and an Orca with bonuses you would not go near low sec with a barge poll, but I don't think the OP was looking at it from your prespective, and I wanted to give him mine as I do what he wants to do, or at least I believe so.


As for the RL comparison with low sec by another poster, its like getting copper out of the Democratic Republic of Congo instead of Australia...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp