EVE General Discussion

Interesting... makes sense why my experience was poor with Own3d then. I don't watch streams much - I'd rather be playing the game myself. But I do have interest in the Eve tournaments.

Seems to me that the streaming software these types of places are using could stand to be improved if the extra latency (or packet loss?) from longer distances is affecting them that badly.

Well somebody brought up another very valid concern about Own3d going under in an alliance tourney thread - what will happen to the vids of the fights? Hopefully these can get transferred to ccp's youtube. There's an awful lot of video for anyone else to record and list otherwise.

this is eve, you should have expected the prize was a scam.

I think the question here is "Who got 0wn3d?" CCP for handling out the stream without gettin paid, or the tournament participants getting lured to sink some PLEX at the promiss of a real money prize without it existing in the first place.

Wow, that's a shame about the prize money, glad to hear Navigator / CCP are on the case though. I never had any problems watching the stream (when my internet connection was good), but then again I'm in Europe, so as has been said, their server location is probably the reason for the streaming differences.

The tournament was fun, I'm with Buhhdust on that. Maybe not as exciting as the AT but definitely not on the boring side.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73485

CCP Bro said: "What most people fail to include is the significant production costs involved in a large scale production like the New Eden Open. For this tournament we are building an entirely new set, renting top of the line production equipment, and we are contracting professional sound and video engineers to ensure we deliver the best possible production to our players and fans.

You spent the PLEX money hiring "professional audiovisual engineers" to delivered the low quality video and sound feed u did?(i recall in one of the streams we waited like 10 min before you could get the audio streaming in stereo (L and R channels) , the stream video had to be run in lowest resolution 360p in order to get the least latency possible)? - I can think of amateurs that would do a better job for free.

Where are the good friends at 0wn3d now? did they close the doors and leave players empty handed? I need to get some of these good friends lol

From a business perspective, the hate makes sense to me. See, in my experience there are two kinds of internet business owner: there are the legit guys that sign contracts and follow them to the letter. Customer service is always a priority, and mutually beneficial partnerships are created to genuinely grow and strengthen both party's business interests. These are the honest business types... and they are sadly a minority.

Then you get these **** degenerates like the CEO of OwnedTV. Contracts are only honored in-so-much as they can technically be enforced. If you don't have verification enforcement clauses with them on every little thing they will find a loophole and **** you on a contract. In this case, the CEO saw the ship was going down in July at the LATEST. That did not effect business as usual. They still created contracts... promised people their due payments... etc... However, it's my contention that the decision was made in July that OwnedTV would no longer honor their financial obligations. Instead, the pay is increased for the executives to drain every last drop of capital from the company. In the meantime, OwnedTV pions are oblivious and continuing to work thinking they have a job. Partners continue to fulfill their obligations and produce content or whatever for OwnedTV thinking they are going to be compensated. All that work and effort is put forth while OwnedTV promises it's a glitch in the payment system or some other nonsense, when OwnedTV's executives know damn well they aren't going to pay for it. In bankruptcy, those obligations are nullified as the company's few remaining assets are liquidated and only the preferred AAA shareholders (again, the executives only) are compensated. People holding non-preferred securities, creditors, employees, and partners are left holding the bag. It's a scam. ...and it's technically legal.

So yah welcome to internet business: I loath people like the executives at OwnedTV. They are the lowest form of scum around. They knew this was coming and they lied to and screwed over a LOT of people while the ship was sinking.

raven666wings said:
" Money down before panty down. No finance, no romance."

This one is also popular:
"Dont write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash."

That's not true. It's actually bondholders first (depending on the wording of those contracts). Pensions and employee pay are now treated as normal debt... employees would be payed after preferred stock holders (again depending on wording of the issue) and before creditors. Pensions are actually paid after creditors and virtually all other obligations if you can believe it, but now pensions are even written off in bankruptcy. So! If a company goes bankrupt the pension obligations are null. IF the company can make it through bankruptcy and keep operating, the debts and pensions will never be paid back... they are gone, but in that instance the overdue pay to employees must be paid before the bankruptcy procedure can be called "complete". If the company just goes out of business though no, while the employees SHOULD be paid they seldom are.

For CCP, 10k isn't a big deal.

Edit: Just went to double check because it's been I while since I did this stuff: So preferred stock holders will often be paid even before bondholders, but not always. Employee pay is actually put in the same category as other creditor debt, and believe it of frickin' not, can be written off in the bankruptcy (I didn't know that until just now). That's up to the judge and the lawyers. However, bondholders and preferred stock holders get paid before ANYBODY. The stockholders w/ voting rights, the judge, and the lawyers fight it out for the rest and what happens next.

this post deserves a like ffs.