EVE General Discussion

A 2D version of Eve would be nice, maybe an overhead view with bitmaps that overlap and scale according to their Z value. Nothing fancy, just something that'll allow us to login to Eve while we're on the train or whatever and do some stuff.

30% according to who? That's like the perfect example of pulling a random number of your ass.


There's already over a billion PCs in use around the world. You think that market saturation might of started to occur?

87 million pre-made PCs (excluding macs) shipped second quarter 2012 alone. That doesn't even include people like me who build computers for themselves or others. The aftermarket for PC parts is gigantic.

At least threads like this do a good job of showing who uses a computer for serious things, and who just plays facebook games all day. Anyone who has to do real work with their computer can take one look at an iWhatever and see that it's just a toy. No keyboard/mouse, limited hardware capabilities, tiny screen, can't type comfortably for long periods of time, etc. It's great for killing time when you're away from home, or checking your email while you're stuck in traffic, or other things that aren't very demanding. But that's all it is, it can supplement a PC, but not replace it.

So: PC gaming isn't going anywhere. Hardcore gaming will always be PC/console-focused, and the "well I've got a PC anyway, might as well play games on it" market is going to exist for the foreseeable future.

Demographics, look it up.

You're forgetting one thing...businesses. The business floor is still heavily populated with PC's. There's a reason for that: productivity. You're never going to get production levels from information services that is had now by touch screen devices. NEVER. The interface it too simplistic and that your input is also your screen too cumbersome. That PC sales have plateaued only means the PC market has matured. How much more processing power do you need to do the tasks you're doing now. There's been no revolution in interface design in decades and the technology isn't yet invented to do so. In fact, processing power, that we have so much excess, is being shared now between server and client further reducing the need to upgrade as frequently as we have.

The fact that tablet sales have taken off only means that the digital market is permeating other facets of life, not revolutionizing our work environments. And thus, it may indeed mean that the consumer market is changing but the business market, not so much. Therefore, the PC still has a long and useful life. Granted, consumers may find more portable devices than a desktop and something smaller than a laptop sufficient for their needs, many of us do not, using tablets and whatnot as an extension of our more powerful desktop.

Now, the internals may change. But then Eve is written in Python which is a platform independent language. CCP already has, although no longer maintained, a linux client. So, I'm not too worried about MS dumping their desktop OS for glorified PDA's.

ARM processors ALREADY do nearly all the things traditional CPUs do. The one current exception is heavy-duty gaming, but that is changing fast with products such as Tegra and Ouya moving mainstream. It's also worth noting that nVidia, Qualcomm, and TI are making great strides in ARM development, while x64 development has slowed dramatically at both Intel and AMD.

A good (though not perfect) analogy for what's happening is the 1950s automaking industry. Everyone believed heavy V-8 American cars were here to stay, and would only get bigger and better. Admittedly, V-8s never will disappear completely, and many of the most memorable cars ever built are V-8s. But traditional consumers haven't bought them since WWII; they remain a niche enthusiast market, fun and distinct, but costly and less efficient.

The traditional Windows PC reached its high-water mark a year or two ago. It won't vanish, particularly in desktop form, but consumers have already curbed their buying. Microsoft knows it and is desperately trying to reinvent it. Valve knows it and has all but abandoned ship. Google and Apple know it and are aggressively positioning Android and iOS to replace (yes, replace) Windows to average consumers.

I know most of us reading this are hardcore enthusiasts. But ask yourself these questions:
1) Did you buy your PC exclusively for gaming?
2) If you didn't need a computer for work, school, communication, etc, would you still buy one just to play EVE-Online?
Realistically, the "99%" who live on a fixed income have no finances, living space, or practical uses for desktop gaming PCs. They will buy a console like PlayStation, Wii, and Ouya. Increasingly, they'll game on the mobile device of their choice.

We purists who sneer at "kid's games" like Angry Birds and Words With Friends are ignoring the fact that iOS is already the world's most popular gaming platform. Those of us who hold dearly to our PCs will also pay dearly - for software and components no longer mass-produced or relevant to Joe consumer. ARM is the Volkswagen Beetle of our day, and Windows 8 is the Ford Edsel.

For the record, I never said EVE is dying. But I am saying it's lost relevancy as its target demographic narrows. The snobs here might consider that a good thing, but I think most of us, including CCP, would disagree.

Your automobile knowledge is severely lacking. ALmost every single sports car made in America uses a v8. A lot of the popular SUV models out there use V8s and the truck market itself is full of V8s (including offerings from Toyota and such). The V8 might not be as popular as ever but the straight 6 which was the V8s competitor in the 50s is basically gone.

The 99% will continue to buy PCs to do work on because PCs will still give the biggest bang for the buck.


Your cluelessness of the PC market is only matched by your cluelessness of the Automobile market..


EDIT : I do find it funny to see the RISC architecture coming back after Apple abandoned it years ago.

how the * did the conversation turn to engines

EVE hasn't become obsolete. what I sense is CCP has spent its resources on the meta game and failed to innovate.

too much time looking at how to improve a game from 2003, instead of making it a game for the future

think outside the sandbox