EVE General Discussion

umm... no

Nobody doing anything in 0.0 other than logging in their nullsec "mains" for fleets?

Serenity and TQ are totally different ballparks.

Anyway, the end result will be that you can have a bunch of guys on a blackops BS a region away, due to the upcoming range buff, playing some other game or whatever and then dropping on some random ratter that you instantly tackle with a covert cyno bomber. The guy ratting would have no way of determining that somebody was inbound - probes wouldn't be needed since they're most likely in an anom, making dscan totally ineffective, and bombers have no targeting delay. Oh, and if they need intel on where to look for targets, all they have to do is open the map and look at NPC kills. Wonderful!

Sorry that not everyone is as enthusiastic about playing "dscan online" in 0.0 as you are, not that it'd matter anyway since all you'd need to scout soft targets is a bomber, and you'd have to be an idiot to get caught on dscan when flying one.

Most people just wouldn't bother and they'd put PvE alts in hisec, which CCP has made safer in every expansion since Incarna. The worst part of it is that (at least in my experience) the majority of people who PvE in 0.0 are multiboxers, newbies and people grinding up sec status, with a minority being those who just blitz anomalies in stuff like Vindicators to try to get escalations.

Sec status grinding would not be affected since it's usually done in cheap ships, and they don't tend to stay in one place for very long. Multiboxers wouldn't be affected because they'd drop the house on you if they don't move those PvE alts into hisec. The minority trying to get escalations would just go around probing out complexes, which could still be run with some degree of safety since they can't be directly warped into without probing. That'd leave newbies as the most affected, but hey, you probably subscribe to the elitist "newbies don't belong in 0.0" BoB mindset.

Can anyone listen to this man please?

I ever hated the idea of fights happening on gates and other fixed objects. We got so many space and are so limited in ways to kick each others asses.

I figure at first there would be an orgy or stealth bombers and titan/blops bridging. Tons of fun for the few organizations that can afford all those toys and the member base to keep the fleets full.

And then all the targets would dry up. All the isk making ships would move to greener pastures. Covops gangs will fly right past each other and never know it. The cliche about nullsec being empty would become even more of a reality.

Renting space would no longer be an option, and moon mining alliances would probably just drop most of their sovereignty. If their members can't really use the space. Better to funnel that isk into more moon defending assets (build and staff more supercaps) and other activities for line members.

Can I live with it? I know I can. I get reimbursement on stealth bombers for non-strategic ops. When running around nullsec like ninjas on cocaine finally becomes played out, we'll just start promoting more hulkageddon, freighter ganking, market hub camping, market manipulation.

And I can live with it because I come from a group who doesn't couch their identity on being elite PvPers planting flags on the fringes of New Eden.

Which is why no local works there and not in known space.

This post made me get eye cancer.

Right, remember the last time you opened the map, looked for NPC kills and made your way into a wormhole simply by following the game's suggested route? And proceeded to light a cyno inside that wormhole to jump in supers or a gang waiting on a titan/blops?

Or do you consider force projection (which you love complaining about), static routes and supers as "minor" differences?

'lol'

no local in WH space, oh wait badly fitted noobs dont fly in WH space

Why not? Parse out the reasons for me.

After all, the target can also see him in local, right?