EVE General Discussion

Quite often the problem with that kind of mindset is that it isn't based off any logic. All other opinions end up rejected without a single thought and there is no room for discussion. Its an issue with every MMO. The instant that anyone suggests a change to balance or whatever, no matter how sorely its needed, there's a group who jumps in to fight against the idea. Now its not wrong to disagree with an idea, I'm not saying that at all, BUT, there needs to be a basis to ideas beyond "I like things the way they are" or "its ____'s game, let them do what they want" and other statements that kill any chance of discussion. Especially when it comes to things that could only help the game. The basic concepts of EVE are sound, but the learning curve in the game is immense. It took me trying the game 3 times before I actually got into it some because figuring even the basics out can be frustrating, and well, figuring out what direction to go. Anything that improves on that can only be healthy for the game, with no real downside for the oldbies. Done well at least.

Now more to the OP, travel time can be reduced once you get going, but it is a barrier, yes. Removing travel time however, reeeeally can damage a lot of core aspects of the game. ESPECIALLY trading. For timers, they make some sense, though I would be pretty much for quick set up of stuff like POSs if they were extra vulnerable during their early stages to make up for it? I guess? Just kind of my view from my limited experience, not completely sure how it works, just know, instant POS with no downsides would probably be a bad thing for defending a system. Sov does also sound a little less interesting than it should, buuut I'll reserve judgement on that entirely until I have experience with it.

And from my own experience in EVE, far more often it is based on logic and very good reasons, which are ignored in favour of "my totally awesome originally idea that massively benefits me and screws anyone else who isn't like me."

But damn it, EVE would get so many more subs if..............

Clever, if hilariously inaccurate, 1984 reference.

+1

Some time sinks (very few) and needlessly complicated mechanics can go away of course, but you really need to keep in mind that some time sinks need to stay in place for game play reasons.

Travel needs to involve planning, time, and effort when you are talking about long distances or large movements of personel or supplies. You need to be vunlerable during large moves, there needs to be time for a defender to react in most cases (unless you have planned very, very well), and local markets and Sov needs to assume a higher importance in your day to day activities than those half way across the universe. This also creates niches for people that wish to specialize in long range activities and derive profit from them because the majority of players are not set up to (or do not wish to) deal with the distances and time involved.


POS time sinks are designed to provide a window of vulnerability during set up. If set up was instant it would be a bit too easy for an invader to deploy POS's in enemy space with no window to stop their activities.

The point being we have to keep in mind that many of the time sinks in game are there for good reason.

I left for a year, only really came back after being trolled with "Dude you should return, CCP have fixed everything, no more supercap blobs, no more blueballing, everyone is fighting none stop".

This was 2 weeks ago

I hate being trolled, it rarely happens because people are terrible at trolling. Honestly believe it or not, these forums are the only place I troll, what else is there to do, mine, shoot random crap, make ISK for none existent war efforts, train skills for ships you will never use? I loved EVE for the political drama / scandals / warfare, not "Telletubies making friends in space" thats what made me play, thats what made it unique. I do believe 0.0 will return to its metagaming, dramatic, propaganda overloaded, SILENCE, backstabbing, Haargoth, PL exploiting roots, but until then I will be entertained by other things.

EVE was uninstalled 3 days after resubbing, im just amusing myself on these forums until sub finishes, after 18th Feb you prob wont see me until after the next expansion or next 6 expansions by the looks of it, but im sure you will be able to sleep at night knowing this ;)

or you could plan ahead and realize that if you want to save time, all you have to do is spend a little isk.


Put up buy orders for 10%-15% above market average for teh ships and modules you need. Put several ships together ahead of time.

Alternately let your Jita alt buy these things then pay blackfrog logistics a small fee to haul them where you need it.

If you can't afford to do this, then for the love of crap, fly something cheaper.

If you don't want to spend a little isk, then suck it up and grind the shopping trip. You have choices. Make em. Deal with it and quit whining.

^^^ on that note.

I went to NPC null for a while. Logged in and had the station bubbled with a doom fleet outside. So I docked and logged off. While I am not 'risk adverse' there is a not so fine line between 'being a coward' and ' helping the enemy place a barrel against my forehead and guiding their hand to the trigger'.

The next day I logged in, still bubbled. Stil a doom fleet.

Logged off

Next day, still bubbled, still a doom fleet there.

I clone jumped back to high-sec. I want to play the game, but insta-death with no hope is not a game for me. Either way I'd end up in high-sec.

Agreed, It'd help if carebears and bittervets would stop using "casual" and "noob" to get what they want the way liberals use "poor" and "minority" in politics.

Carebears can be anywhere they want. Unfortunately they all want to be in empire & they want CCP to make it 100% safe for them.