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TheMittani.com Interviews CCP Veritas about the servers regarding the fight in Asakai
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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-01-31 20:50:14 UTC
Ildryn wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:




But you don't give a **** about any of that. You just want to spurge a little crap about something you don't clearly aren't familliar with.


Uh huh.....gotcha.

Yes, thank you for pointing out that I make errors when I type.



Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-01-31 20:53:09 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Artimis Scout wrote:
From the article
Rydis, the CFC Sky Marshal said that in the future strategic assets, i.e. supercapitals, will not be committed to an unreinforced node in the future, no matter what.

My favorite part. Is there a website or something I can go to to schedule a time I enter your region? Perhaps send an Eve Mail to someone? I would hate for you to lose strategic assest.


There's a form you fill out to let CCP know where and when you plan to have a bunch of guys in a system.

Once upon a time you needed to do this if you expected even 600 people would be in a single system shooting each other. If you didn't, the server would crash.

Rydis has a point. It's one thing to lose a Titan when the pilot makes a mistake, it's another when you're booted from the server due to activity, and can't log back on in time to have a chance to save it.

Everything CCP has done with TiDi and the servers has been, in part, to reduce the need of people to have to tell them before hand.

If the result of committing strategic assets is going to be thousands of people in unreinforced system, with a chance of losing them due to crashes, then it's better to just have CCP reinforce the system to hopefully prevent that.

Had they known they were going to end up with 3000 people in a system fighting, they would have told CCP in advance.


It has nothing to do with "losing strategic assets", and everything to do with not needlessly committing them to situations where they can be lost to a black screen.

But you don't give a **** about any of that. You just want to spurge a little crap about something you don't clearly aren't familliar with.


Excellent summary.

Another thing people in empire space may not know. Losing is a super is a Big Deal. It's a big deal in terms of ISK lost, alone. However, replacing the things is even worse. It takes 3 or 4 hours to replace a battleship loss-and those are built in bulk in empire. The logistics team can just truck those up from Jita when we whelp an Alpha Fleet. (Whelping an Alpha fleet is actually a little more than losing a super carrier, ISK wise.) For a regular capital, it's a two week production time. So, if an alliance's dread fleet is whelped, they are without those capitals for two weeks, leaving their systems vulnerable. For a supercarrier it's about a month to replace, a titan is much longer. And, they have to be built in a CSAA, making them the only ships in the game that can be destroyed while being built. So yeah, while the CFC can easily replace the supers lost in Asakai, in terms of ISK, it's still going to take time.




It's a big deal for Alliances who do not control the endless moon-goo faucet.
Why you would consider it significant makes me wonder what game you've been playing?
Is a Goon seriously claiming issues with ISK?

If you don't have 100's of SC holding alts sitting offline with extra SC's you might want to ask where all that Moon-goo is going to..... Shocked




Reading stuff is hard isn't it.

He just said a bunch of words about how the isk isn't the problem.
Can you at least pretend like you undrestand the stuff you read?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-01-31 21:01:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Artimis Scout wrote:
From the article
Rydis, the CFC Sky Marshal said that in the future strategic assets, i.e. supercapitals, will not be committed to an unreinforced node in the future, no matter what.

My favorite part. Is there a website or something I can go to to schedule a time I enter your region? Perhaps send an Eve Mail to someone? I would hate for you to lose strategic assest.

Trust me they lookin for any excuse not to drop supercaps considerin what happens when they do.
Sir Diablos
Requiem Knowledge
#44 - 2013-01-31 21:21:21 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
http://themittani.com/features/asakai-post-mortem-interview-ccp-veritas

I did an interview, see? You should go read it.


I did read it, and a very informative read it was, thank you!

I sometimes have to wonder when the harshness of space was replaced with the soft foamy feel of a theme park.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-01-31 21:26:44 UTC
@Natsett. Please stop calling me he! What is it with everyone thinking that only males play this game?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#46 - 2013-01-31 21:54:02 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
@Natsett. Please stop calling me he! What is it with everyone thinking that only males play this game?


Don't worry about it Mr. Alizabeth.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-01-31 22:04:50 UTC
Ildryn wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
@Natsett. Please stop calling me he! What is it with everyone thinking that only males play this game?


Don't worry about it Mr. Alizabeth.

*headdesks, sighs*

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-01-31 22:07:43 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Ildryn wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
@Natsett. Please stop calling me he! What is it with everyone thinking that only males play this game?


Don't worry about it Mr. Alizabeth.

*headdesks, sighs*

don,t worry about it ,it comes with the community.
If my wife would play EvE ,i would call her Mr wife

So don,t hurt your head mr Alizabeth

R.S.I2014
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-01-31 22:10:41 UTC
Ildryn wrote:
Since the goons joined eve in 2006 it was stated their goal was to destroy the game.

If we wanted to destroy the game the quickest and simplest way would be if we stopped playing it. Eve's lifeblood is headline-grabbing, player-driven content, and while for the last couple of years we have been pretty much the only group providing any of it.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-01-31 22:13:53 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Ildryn wrote:
Since the goons joined eve in 2006 it was stated their goal was to destroy the game.

If we wanted to destroy the game the quickest and simplest way would be if we stopped playing it. Eve's lifeblood is headline-grabbing, player-driven content, and while for the last couple of years we have been pretty much the only group providing any of it.

a bold thing to say ,the biggest group ? maybe,maybe not .

the best known ? yes !!!!

R.S.I2014
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#51 - 2013-01-31 22:15:07 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Artimis Scout wrote:
From the article
Rydis, the CFC Sky Marshal said that in the future strategic assets, i.e. supercapitals, will not be committed to an unreinforced node in the future, no matter what.

My favorite part. Is there a website or something I can go to to schedule a time I enter your region? Perhaps send an Eve Mail to someone? I would hate for you to lose strategic assest.


There's a form you fill out to let CCP know where and when you plan to have a bunch of guys in a system.

Once upon a time you needed to do this if you expected even 600 people would be in a single system shooting each other. If you didn't, the server would crash.

Rydis has a point. It's one thing to lose a Titan when the pilot makes a mistake, it's another when you're booted from the server due to activity, and can't log back on in time to have a chance to save it.

Everything CCP has done with TiDi and the servers has been, in part, to reduce the need of people to have to tell them before hand.

If the result of committing strategic assets is going to be thousands of people in unreinforced system, with a chance of losing them due to crashes, then it's better to just have CCP reinforce the system to hopefully prevent that.

Had they known they were going to end up with 3000 people in a system fighting, they would have told CCP in advance.


It has nothing to do with "losing strategic assets", and everything to do with not needlessly committing them to situations where they can be lost to a black screen.

But you don't give a **** about any of that. You just want to spurge a little crap about something you don't clearly aren't familliar with.


Excellent summary.

Another thing people in empire space may not know. Losing is a super is a Big Deal. It's a big deal in terms of ISK lost, alone. However, replacing the things is even worse. It takes 3 or 4 hours to replace a battleship loss-and those are built in bulk in empire. The logistics team can just truck those up from Jita when we whelp an Alpha Fleet. (Whelping an Alpha fleet is actually a little more than losing a super carrier, ISK wise.) For a regular capital, it's a two week production time. So, if an alliance's dread fleet is whelped, they are without those capitals for two weeks, leaving their systems vulnerable. For a supercarrier it's about a month to replace, a titan is much longer. And, they have to be built in a CSAA, making them the only ships in the game that can be destroyed while being built. So yeah, while the CFC can easily replace the supers lost in Asakai, in terms of ISK, it's still going to take time.




It's a big deal for Alliances who do not control the endless moon-goo faucet.
Why you would consider it significant makes me wonder what game you've been playing?
Is a Goon seriously claiming issues with ISK?

If you don't have 100's of SC holding alts sitting offline with extra SC's you might want to ask where all that Moon-goo is going to..... Shocked




Reading stuff is hard isn't it.

He just said a bunch of words about how the isk isn't the problem.
Can you at least pretend like you undrestand the stuff you read?


And if you had bothered to read, the summary I was responding to, it clearly states....

" Losing is a super is a Big Deal. It's a big deal in terms of ISK lost, alone. However, replacing the things is even worse."


I addressed both issues, If you don't have hundreds of holding alts sitting offline waiting need, then your leadership has been spending too much on wax and prefabricated hives.....

Any questions? Shocked


Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-01-31 22:18:02 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:


And if you had bothered to read, the summary I was responding to, it clearly states....

" Losing is a super is a Big Deal. It's a big deal in terms of ISK lost, alone. However, replacing the things is even worse."


I addressed both issues, If you don't have hundreds of holding alts sitting offline waiting need, then your leadership has been spending too much on wax and prefabricated hives.....

Any questions? Shocked




It's called SFR and free stuff. As I said, losing a Alpha Fleet is worse than losing a super carrier. We lost fleets a lot. Alliance command also hands out plexes to people that do work for the Alliance, server stuff, director jobs that take up lots of time, etc.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-01-31 22:42:17 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Ildryn wrote:


That would require me to read it.
Since the goons joined eve in 2006 it was stated their goal was to destroy the game.
Can't say that it is working. But some of their actions have sure hurt quite a few people.



Goons are not out to destroy the game. Cripes. Goons have set up this amazing news site (who's articles were referenced in a devblog) because they like this game. They are, however, interested in ruining your game. See the difference?

ex-[401k] members like ildryn know what's up, don't think you can hoodwink them with your lies goonie
Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#54 - 2013-01-31 23:01:11 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Ildryn wrote:
Since the goons joined eve in 2006 it was stated their goal was to destroy the game.

If we wanted to destroy the game the quickest and simplest way would be if we stopped playing it. Eve's lifeblood is headline-grabbing, player-driven content, and while for the last couple of years we have been pretty much the only group providing any of it.


Thats because most people are in CFC, HBC main and alt alliances. Next you will say majority of US news is about US related stuff -.-

2 events involving Goons have made headlines, 1 was to do with Haargoth disbanding Bob and the other was the fight the other day, where MOST articles didnt even mention Goons but did mention DnD, CFC, HBC, hardly world recognition, plus there was a massive amount of "who cares" responses. Yet the ISK Bank drama made more headlines than both

As for player driven, bluing all of Eden is so not original, NC tried it and GBC tried it before them, its not new and its not news worthy

Goons relevance is limited to EVE, a person who quits EVE never deals or even hears anything to do with Goons, no matter how much Mao Mittani insecurely tries to make Goonswarm relevant in RL

So gratz on the achievement in EVE guys, if only you put that much effort in RL, you would have been known as more than just 'gamers out of touch with reality' LolLolLol
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#55 - 2013-01-31 23:02:43 UTC
Drunken Goon FC's best Goon FC's.

No way you can convince me the guy that clicked the wrong button was sober.........P

Also, heard he no longer FC......

This makes me a sad panda.

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#56 - 2013-01-31 23:11:32 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:

I don't organize these things, but I've shot enough towers into reinforced that I can tell you: Feel free to enter and assault our sov at any time! Just know that in the time it takes that timer to run out, a report will be made, the server will go down for maintenance, and the node will be reinforced, and when you show up the next day, you will be helicopter dicked by whatever number of people is required to pod you back to your hole in hi/lowsec.

Nothing wrong with power projection folks. Nope, nothing at all...

Confirming that being able to drop supers in your own sov is power projection gone mad

You are becoming a parody of yourself, please stop posting
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-01-31 23:11:53 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Drunken Goon FC's best Goon FC's.

No way you can convince me the guy that clicked the wrong button was sober.........P

Also, heard he no longer FC......

This makes me a sad panda.

Bear



He's still an FC, he has just been banned from commanding cap fleets.

And it isn't the first time he's been banned from running cap fleets, so go figure.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-01-31 23:12:04 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Drunken Goon FC's best Goon FC's.

No way you can convince me the guy that clicked the wrong button was sober.........P

Also, heard he no longer FC......

This makes me a sad panda.

Bear


Incorrect. The Boatman is still an FC.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-01-31 23:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Shepard Wong Ogeko
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:

I don't organize these things, but I've shot enough towers into reinforced that I can tell you: Feel free to enter and assault our sov at any time! Just know that in the time it takes that timer to run out, a report will be made, the server will go down for maintenance, and the node will be reinforced, and when you show up the next day, you will be helicopter dicked by whatever number of people is required to pod you back to your hole in hi/lowsec.

Nothing wrong with power projection folks. Nope, nothing at all...

Confirming that being able to drop supers in your own sov is power projection gone mad

You are becoming a parody of yourself, please stop posting



The most ironic part is that Marlona was no doubt giddy over our fleet getting smacked so hard, but such a welp would never have happened under Marlona's ideas to nerf power projection and structure mails.


Either the tower would have been lost because no one knew it had been attacked, or a much smaller force would have fought over it, and DBRB would probably never been in range to bridge the fleet jump his titan in.
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-01-31 23:27:48 UTC
Nothing that couldn't have been gleamed by common sense or basic knowledge of the industry, but an ok article nonetheless.