Jita Park Speakers Corner

I sure wish CCP would go around and use the CSM as part of their PR efforts, it might actually end the perennial wave of "Who the eff are these dudes and why should I care?" questions we receive (from people actually familiar the game, let alone the mass public).

Also, the more public support and attention that CCP provided, the more the CSM could simply focus on working with the developers on fixing the game, and less on having to handle all the media relations ourselves just to prove we actually do something useful.

But alas....

Do we really need to discuss this more or can we just hold this up as irrefutable proof that the rules are working as intended?

CCP Xhagen, you are hereby challenged to explain why CCP can protect our billing information that contains bank account and credit card numbers along with the real life names of players not on the CSM. If you say CCP is incapable of simply protecting a name of a CSM member and yet some how rise to the challenge of protecting the financial information and real name of other players then there most be some sort of inconsistency. Either CCP's security is fundamentally flawed or someone is simply being lazy.

You speak of fundamental promises of privacy, and yet CCP is bound to protect my financial data. Its a promise you are able to keep. How hard is it to only refer to someone as their character name for example: "Hello CSM Seleene I trust your not asking people for their age, sex and location in jest in posts about player privacy?"

As for you not being a lawyer I most certainly agree. Knowing CCP retains in house council why not seek their counsel on this matter? I am certain they will tell you that when a company does all it reasonably can to ensure the safety of clients and consumers the weight of liability on their part is greatly decreased when assessing culpability.

When you talk about being able to use CSM members names and pictures for your companies purposes I think its safe to say IDing someone by picture along is rather difficult. I myself find it hard guess the name of a person by their picture alone. Whats more, why not simply refer to them as CSM Seleene in their picture. Certainly you would see the point of that, how many would know who you are CCP Xhagen if we used your picture and real name together? I would imagine there would be greater recognition of who you are based on your nome de guerrer and picture together.


But them comes your most horrifying fallacy of all. That police protection amounts to an effective cure all for whatever problems may arise from the needless exposure of a CSM's real name. A mentally unstable person takes no heed of court orders or admonishments from the local authorities. A mentally disturbed person does not simply respond to the same stimulus a rational person does. After all how many times did the player who owned the character "Preencleve Grothesmore" make himself a nuisance not only in real life, but was able to circumvent CCP by continuously getting new accounts in this very game?

Xhagen what could is a shield made of paper? That's what your offering your CSM now.

Welp Scooter, there went your chances at a bright CSM future.

First of all, obvious campaign setup is obvious. And if I can spot it, others can spot it too, and CCP can certainly spot it. They're not political ignoramuses (ignoramusi?) and while blatantly coming at them with a non-issue trying to make it an issue in order to prove to the players that you are "the man that will hold everyone accountable" (or worse, demanding anonymity simply because you want to run but have an intense paranoia about nutter EVE players finding you in a dark alley) they're going to see right through it.

Second of all, CCP Xhagen is the man you'd need to work with all year long if elected. Challenging him "intellectually" (HA) and flipping around words like "fallacy" while simultaneously indulging in a series of logical fallacies to support your drive for anonymity is sending a pretty strong message about your competence, ability to think critically, and most importantly, the self-discipline not to react with righteous indignity about anything you disagree with.

CCP has no obligation to respect you once you get elected, just because you'd be a CSM member. Plenty of other spergs have made the council before and been more or less useless during their term not because they didn't know the game or didn't represent the people, but because they completely lacked any kind of diplomatic tact or were simply an awful person to be around and hang out with, and thus were not taken seriously. Nothing in the white paper says CCP have to listen and respond to dicks.

You're not only proving to CCP you lack a level head, you're proving to the players you're about to ask to vote for you that you lack a level head, so for the sake of your would-be political future I suggest you either learn this kinda stuff fast, or simply wait another year and observe before jumping into this headfirst with age-old cheap political ploys and rants about issues that are out of touch with what the player base wants you to be concerned with these days.

I would actually like to address this as any criminal actions taken would require to CCP to act within both Iceland's and England's privacy laws as well as the country involved's law enforcement integrating that to within their own countries laws. Added on to that the fact that some countries do not have information sharing treaties with Iceland and England.

So it comes down to the defense of people via this two way street is more likely to take forever to legally achieve or not be achievable at all, either leaving the police no suspect as to the crime or worse yet having the entire matter thrown out of court by the police department not following lawful procedures.

I will spell the last bit out easier, A CSM member is attacked, the CSM member tells the police of threatening mails that have occurred within EvE, CCP responds rapidly to the police request for a real name and address. CCP obliges. An arrest is made but anything found after the initial identification is considered poison fruit as it was not done using proper inter-jurisdictional treaties. The case is thrown out of court and the offender then gets to extradite members of CCP for breaches of the privacy act, as there is no urgency.

Or option B the offender dies a happy death of old age waiting for inter-jurisdictional paper work to be done covering 2 (if it occurs in England) or 3+ governments for any where else in the world. Or in the case of Non-treatied countries the police either getting no help from CCP or the help being unlawful.

Oh and of course this relies on the fact that your countries police actually doing anything.

I have a better proposal: Why not allow candidates for the CSM to run on the "Anonymous Ticket" and those supporting the status quo run on their real names. If the anonymous ones win there is your answer, there is the gauntlet thrown down who will answer for it?

Who needs modular POSes when we could invest those dollars into providing physical protection for CSM members? This drone thing sounds totally awesome, and would work way better than a paper shield or a phone call to the police after harm has been done. But why stop there? Serious investments need to be justified, so we could use them as the new discipline against the CSM as well. Being held responsible as a human being for one's actions through public transparency pales in comparison to TOTALHELLDEATH as a deterrent against CSM misconduct. In this manner CCP's new drone army would add a much-needed dose of risk/reward balancing to the CSM.



This man knows how to negotiate. o7o7

Have you ever considered running for office, Rodyas? You catch on quick.

So in the face of logic you resort to babbling? I am so glad you got elected to the CSM.

Wow you can handle 5%? And what does that have to do with anything at all?

What if someone was to turn down all travel and attends summits via the monitors like some do now? No plane tickets means no need to reveal your RL name.

Is that still not an option??