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some serious questions on somone intereted in FW with an alt

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Amaresu
Relentless Destruction
Immediate Destruction
#1 - 2013-01-31 17:09:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaresu
Hello, everyone. Before I ask away, allow me to explain what I DO know. One, I have quite a few alts. I'm a long time veteran (not this toon) to null sec. I have experienced low sec piracy with said toon, and nullsec pvp.

Recently, I have been looking into faction warfare slightly. Before I dive an alt I currently purchased into it, there are some questions I need to ask.

1st, is it where you can pick which faction, or is it based upon the toons race? (specific toon is Minmatar, but that matters not anyways, unless I decided to go with another faction).

2nd, I've (as mentioned above) already read somewhat into FW, but obviously this thread wouldnt exsist had all questions been answered...anyhow, number two is do the FW stations you live in, are they simulair to null sec stations as far as restocking supplies, or is it stocked by npcs simulair to highsec? This would matter say, if minmatar alt flew with another faction if I so decided and it was possible. Or, are they treated like a hybrid of null/low/hi sec?

3rd, mechanics. I see sov isnt gained, but occupation is. This leads me to wonder how systems get upgraded, i.e: I see that certain mechanics are effected, but can you, hypothetically, use another factions station if so inclined, or is docking rights, etc limited to facttion warfare toons?

4th, is it also possible to upgrade systems onseself or is it automatic based off of FW standings via LP? I saw you plug LP's into the ihub (or whatever teh **** its called for FW), but can you save LP and just flood an ihub once your faction gains the system t automatically boost it to max? And, speaking of LP's I believe I read somewhere you can only get the FW specific npc missions if you were in the npc corp for those agents. Is this 100% true, or is it limited to being a PART of that faction, period? The reason I ask is what would be the benefit, then, say: of being in a player owned corp for FW? and that they should def change it where anyone in that faction can interact and recieve FW missions frm faction npc's because that would limit the player owned corps in FW from LP growth per say that of an npc corp. Or am I reading in to this wrong?

5th, is thyere a website that shows what factions are doing best? (there is a reason I ask this, shown below in another question, dont assume things please LOL). I subscribe to EON magazine, but notice the warfare updates (war report) only really goes into specifics on null sec. Is there something out there simulair to said war report for FW?

6th, do alot of people do it? I.E: are FC's maintained simulair to that in null? What are major fleet comps? is it super blobby or more so focused small gang like the majority of pirating? Needless to say are supers utilized in it? Is there FW in npc null or is FW low sec only?

7th; alot of the random eve news shows different factions having certain effects here and there like large fleet mobilizations, etc etc. Do these actually happen in game with a mix of NPC ships and player owned ships, or is it all just fabricated here say? I think it would be awesome if said videos shown between different factions going to town were simulair to say, incursions, in aspect ratio.

8th, I do not want just opinion on this, but (and it may be cliche i understand) which faction is currently on top of things? Is there one faction more OP then the other? ( now here is the reason i ask, as well as the other part to my reasoning in #5) The reason I ask this is because I dont want to go into it with said alt if its like null sec pvp as far as super powers, I want to experience a "shake up" more so from said politics.

and finally 9th, (the big one) I noticed that once you do FW you cannot go hi sec of an opposing faction, this is understandable. However, say, I decide to leave said FW (which I *will* eventually as said toon I'm leveling up in skills to eventually sell via these forums for isk). I DO NOT want to do this if this is going to effect long term value of said toon via factional standings.

Thanks if you took the time to read this, and thanks even more if you take the time to respond in kind, and without the trolololol effect :)Blink
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#2 - 2013-01-31 17:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Amaresu wrote:
Hello, everyone. Before I ask away, allow me to explain what I DO know. One, I have quite a few alts. I'm a long time veteran (not this toon) to null sec. I have experienced low sec piracy with said toon, and nullsec pvp.

Recently, I have been looking into faction warfare slightly. Before I dive an alt I currently purchased into it, there are some questions I need to ask.

1st, is it where you can pick which faction, or is it based upon the toons race? (specific toon is Minmatar, but that matters not anyways, unless I decided to go with another faction).


It is based on standings for the character. I am an Achura in Gallente FW.

Amaresu wrote:


2nd, I've (as mentioned above) already read somewhat into FW, but obviously this thread wouldnt exsist had all questions been answered...anyhow, number two is do the FW stations you live in, are they simulair to null sec stations as far as restocking supplies, or is it stocked by npcs simulair to highsec? This would matter say, if minmatar alt flew with another faction if I so decided and it was possible. Or, are they treated like a hybrid of null/low/hi sec?


The only restriction is on lowsec stations in the warzone (those are, the systems you can capture). And the only restriction is that you cannot dock in stations in systems that are controlled by one of the opposing militias.

I have no idea what you are talking about with restocking supplies by npc's etc. Do null sec stations require fuel to run or something? (I don't know, I hate null :D )

Amaresu wrote:


3rd, mechanics. I see sov isnt gained, but occupation is. This leads me to wonder how systems get upgraded, i.e: I see that certain mechanics are effected, but can you, hypothetically, use another factions station if so inclined, or is docking rights, etc limited to facttion warfare toons?



I am not sure what you occupation vs sov distinction is.

Systems get upgraded by people donating LP to the IHUB.

All docking restrictions are limited to factional warfare toons - all characters outside of fw can dock in all fw stations regardless of race or standing.

Amaresu wrote:


4th, is it also possible to upgrade systems onseself or is it automatic based off of FW standings via LP? I saw you plug LP's into the ihub (or whatever teh **** its called for FW), but can you save LP and just flood an ihub once your faction gains the system t automatically boost it to max? And, speaking of LP's I believe I read somewhere you can only get the FW specific npc missions if you were in the npc corp for those agents. Is this 100% true, or is it limited to being a PART of that faction, period? The reason I ask is what would be the benefit, then, say: of being in a player owned corp for FW? and that they should def change it where anyone in that faction can interact and recieve FW missions frm faction npc's because that would limit the player owned corps in FW from LP growth per say that of an npc corp. Or am I reading in to this wrong?



All players in player owned corps enlisted in FW can access missions as if they were in the NPC corp, and they have the same restrictions as docking etc as the NPC corp.

The only way to upgrade systems is to plug LP into systems your faction owns.

Amaresu wrote:


5th, is thyere a website that shows what factions are doing best? (there is a reason I ask this, shown below in another question, dont assume things please LOL). I subscribe to EON magazine, but notice the warfare updates (war report) only really goes into specifics on null sec. Is there something out there simulair to said war report for FW?



If you dock in a minmatar station, you should be able to go to Business -> Factional Warfare in the menu and you get a nice overview of warzone control for the amarr/minmatar.

Additionally, there's a statistics tab in the warzone control for all factions, yesterday/last week/all time. For example, you'll see Caldari generally have an advantage in VP (system control) but are behind in kills. "Doing best" is subjective depending on what your criteria is (best plexers, best pvpers, etc).


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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#3 - 2013-01-31 17:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Amaresu wrote:


6th, do alot of people do it? I.E: are FC's maintained simulair to that in null? What are major fleet comps? is it super blobby or more so focused small gang like the majority of pirating? Needless to say are supers utilized in it? Is there FW in npc null or is FW low sec only?



The number of active pilots enrolled in each faction is displayed in the statistics tab.

FC's tend to be more per corp/alliance (even if the alliance is kind of a meta alliance sometimes). Some FC's do militia fleets where they pull from everywhere, but that is rare.

The type of combat depends on the type of corp you are in. But there is lots and lots of small gang/solo action out there, and some larger fleet action (usually doesn't get much about 30 per side in a fleet).

Personally - I engage in mostly solo/small gang combat, and there's plenty of it.

There is only FW lowsec. The two regions are here on special dotlan maps.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Caldari_VS_Gallente
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Amarr_vs_Minmatar

Amaresu wrote:

7th; alot of the random eve news shows different factions having certain effects here and there like large fleet mobilizations, etc etc. Do these actually happen in game with a mix of NPC ships and player owned ships, or is it all just fabricated here say? I think it would be awesome if said videos shown between different factions going to town were simulair to say, incursions, in aspect ratio.



Any major mobilizations of FW navies is purely stories. There are missions and plexes which have their standard rats in them.

Amaresu wrote:


8th, I do not want just opinion on this, but (and it may be cliche i understand) which faction is currently on top of things? Is there one faction more OP then the other? ( now here is the reason i ask, as well as the other part to my reasoning in #5) The reason I ask this is because I dont want to go into it with said alt if its like null sec pvp as far as super powers, I want to experience a "shake up" more so from said politics.



Again, it depends on your definition of "on top" warzone control? pvp? fleets?

I am only familiar with the caldari/gallente warzone.

For a few years now the Gallente have generally been the strongest pvp wise in the cal/gal warzone, and it shows in the kill statistics. We recently made a coordinated push to take all Caldari space just to say we could, but generally don't focus on warzone control as much as the Caldari (whcih shows in the VP stats).

However, this is just overall. Both Gallente and Caldari have very good pvp corps. Both Gallente and Caldari have people dedicated to plexing.


Amaresu wrote:


and finally 9th, (the big one) I noticed that once you do FW you cannot go hi sec of an opposing faction, this is understandable. However, say, I decide to leave said FW (which I *will* eventually as said toon I'm leveling up in skills to eventually sell via these forums for isk). I DO NOT want to do this if this is going to effect long term value of said toon via factional standings.



You can go into high sec, just the NPC navy will attack you. The navy is stronger the higher sec status you are in. This is the same as if you had trashed your Gallente standing doing lots and lots of missions for the Caldari.

If you close plexes or run missions, eventually you will gain a lot of faction standing for your own faction, and lose faction standing to the opposing faction. If you just use the plexes for pvp, but do not stick around to close the plexes, then you will not lose any standings to the faction, but you won't earn any LP either.

(You lose the NPC CORP standings for podding enemy militia members, but not faction standings last I cared to watch this kind of stuff)
Human Cola
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-31 17:49:34 UTC
1. You pick
2. No clue, they are just low sec stations mostly, but there are also highsec ones, Onnamon for example.
3. Who ever occupies a system (and their ally) can use the stations. No occupy, no stations. If you are non FW, you can dock just fine.
4. No clue, haven't done this.
5.. Im pretty sure there is, but just join Amarr or Caldari for the wins.
6... yes
7.. All player owned, the only npc's are in plexes, and they dont matter.
8. Galente held all of the warzone with Caldari until recently. Amarr have been pushing hard on the Minmatar recently, its kinda in flux at the moment. But, 2 weeks ago ish, it was a big galente farmer party.
9.............You CAN go into enemy high sec, they will just try to kill you, but with less effort than concord. For example, many galente war target still shop in Jita.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#5 - 2013-01-31 19:54:32 UTC
Chatgris and human cola gave a good amount of info.

Just a couple of things:

From my experience low sec personalities including fw players are much more laid back than null sec personalities.

Being a "pirate" is much different now than it used to be.

There is no ridiculous GCC. You only go down to -5 for shooting neutral ships you can get lower for the occassional pod. The sentry guns will only shoot you if you attack at a stargate or at a station. If you attacksomeone elsewhere you will get no gate guns. If you attack at a station or gate and warp away the guns will stop and not start again unless you attack someone new. No more waiting out 15 minute timers.

FW areas provide plexes fw plexes that can be the focus of many fights. Nonmilitia and fw players can scan and open them. Non militia entering them do not get attacked by the rats but they obviously do not effect the timers in them either.

Pros to being neutral:

1) Can fight both sides of the militia without awoxing/killing your faction standings. (almost doubles the targets you can fight in plexes)
2) Can dock anywhere you want

Pros to being in militia:

1) can start fights with enemy on gates/stations without gate/station guns
2) get small amount of extra lp for kills and can get large amounts of lp from farming plexes or missions. (the latter will boost your faction standings with the allied side and kill them with the enemy factions)
3) If you don't fight any neutrals your sec status can remain high.


I did both and unless you need to farm the lp, the pirate route is much better from a pvp perspective. YMMV

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