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Smaller Alliances/Corps Need To Take Their Game Back

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Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#181 - 2013-01-31 15:41:09 UTC
You know, while giants figth, the small thrive...Twisted
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#182 - 2013-01-31 16:17:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Amenotep Polo
Max Doobie wrote:
I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.


Isn't that the same philosophy that created the goons in the first place?

Also the fact that 75% of null being blue is just part of human psichology, why fight if everyone can have some profit? Given enough time, no matter how many alliances you create, this will always happen.

Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#183 - 2013-01-31 17:03:26 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Isn't that the same philosophy that created the goons in the first place?

No. Go and read your history again.

Amenotep Polo wrote:
Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.

Wrong again. We play EVE for the sake of fun. If PVP is fun on its own, how is it stupid to engage in PVP?
Dessau
The Scope
#184 - 2013-01-31 17:44:53 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.

Holy hell, are we playing two different games.

Max Doobie wrote:
"Smaller Alliances/Corps Need To Take Their Game Back"

I'm confused as to when and how my game was taken from me. I've never resided in null, never lost Sov, have no interest in Sov, CTAs, Structure grinds, etc. There is a bit of economic overlap with T2 hull costs, as far as I know, but that's far from a backbreaker.
Oi Brigade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2013-01-31 17:55:54 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.




You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.


You are my hero. You just described the elite of the large alliances. Elite in eve, 30k a year person outside of eve.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#186 - 2013-01-31 20:14:33 UTC
Oi Brigade wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.




You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.


You are my hero. You just described the elite of the large alliances. Elite in eve, 30k a year person outside of eve.

ITT: "Most people who play games in large groups are clearly incapable of social normality."

"Because someone plays a game with a few thousand other people, they must spend their entire lives online and do nothing else!"

I do not feel that it would be an exaggeration to say that the elite of both TEST and Goonswarm log in far less than the average EVE player.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#187 - 2013-01-31 21:36:39 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.


That mentality truly bothers me when applied to Eve. I wager that far more people would engage in PvP if it was more about fun and less about numbers, KBs, et al.

John Hancock
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#188 - 2013-01-31 22:26:11 UTC
Call Rollard wrote:
This thread is getting spammed to death by TEST Attention




Big smile
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#189 - 2013-01-31 22:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Doobie
Oi Brigade wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.




You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.


You are my hero. You just described the elite of the large alliances. Elite in eve, 30k a year person outside of eve.



Know what's hilarious?

These people (who are CLEARLY on unemployment or some other form of Government assistance) think it's funny that I'm a truck driver. They then call me "useless" because I'm not able to strap in for every single goddamned fleet that's posted on jabber, or the fact that I have less than 5 mill SP and no kills when I clearly told them I was in the process of training up SBs, EVEMON way not simply being able to sit in one. WTF is the point in me coming on a fleet with a bare minimum SB? What use would I be? Let alone the fact that about 60% of Test is inactive and/or alts. So my simply logging in a lone and training to be useful in the future is contributing.

I'm an owner operator. I own my own business and have 3 other trucks driving for me.

My gross last year was roughly $170,000.

Net was roughly $95,000. That's just my truck, not including my cut from the other drivers.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

If these people worked 40 hours per week, let alone the 80-90 I usually put in, they'd see how hard it is to be ultra-active when you're doing grown up things instead of eating hotpockets and playing EVE all damned day.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#190 - 2013-01-31 22:37:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Tell us more about your kickboxing and your ferrari-driving and your supermodel girlfriend

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#191 - 2013-01-31 22:38:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Max Doobie wrote:
Know what's hilarious?

These people (who are CLEARLY on unemployment or some other form of Government assistance) think it's funny that I'm a truck driver. They then call me "useless" because I'm not able to strap in for every single goddamned fleet that's posted on jabber, or the fact that I have less than 5 mill SP and no kills when I clearly told them I was in the process of training up SBs, EVEMON way not simply being able to sit in one. WTF is the point in me coming on a fleet with a bare minimum SB? What use would I be? Let alone the fact that about 60% of Test is inactive and/or alts. So my simply logging in a lone and training to be useful in the future is contributing.

I'm an owner operator. I own my own business and have 3 other trucks driving for me.

My gross last year was roughly $170,000.

Net was roughly $95,000. That's just my truck, not including my cut from the other drivers.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

If these people worked 40 hours per week, let alone the 80-90 I usually put in, they'd see how hard it is to be ultra-active when you're doing grown up things instead of eating hotpockets and playing EVE all damned day.

Nobody in TEST is interested in how great you drive a truck and how much dosh you make. People are interested in how great (actually not even how great, just that you do) drive a spaceship and how much entertainment you provide. It's great that you own your own truck, but it really isn't relevant to your usefulness to TEST - if you never show up to any ops, and only spend your time with terrible shitposting and ******* over corpmates, then you're a detriment to the group and deserve to be kicked.

Besides, 170k? Seems a bit high considering you clearly spend all your time at rest stops a) defending your e-honoure and b) searching for real men to have man-on-man 'discussions' with.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#192 - 2013-01-31 22:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Doobie
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Tell us more about your kickboxing and your ferrari-driving and your supermodel girlfriend



See, look at how sad this is....


Someone says the have a job and decent income = "ZOMG, TELL US ABOUT UR FERRARI DRIVING AND GIRLFRIEND".

Like dude, that's doing it big to you? $95,000?

I'm only 25 that's crap cash dude.

...but then again, perhaps I have more ambition...and perhaps you actually put "Goonwaffe" on your resume, being that's probably your greatest achievement, so I can see how you think $95,000 warrants an "OHMYGAWD SON U LYIN!!! WHY U LYIN MAN!??" reaction...


Seriously, who the **** would lie about 95 grand?
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#193 - 2013-01-31 22:48:15 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.


That mentality truly bothers me when applied to Eve. I wager that far more people would engage in PvP if it was more about fun and less about numbers, KBs, et al.




Sadly that's how many think...EVE is srsbidness. EVE is a JOB to these folks. Isn't that why you play EVE? to have fun??? So then what better reason to PVP???
myrddhyn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#194 - 2013-02-01 14:50:43 UTC
what page 2 already, bump, awesome thread...

popcorn Lol
Kal Tracker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#195 - 2013-02-01 15:04:49 UTC
Null Sec will forever not change. Shooting of Sov to own will for ever be part of ever and the super blogs. go here maybe we can think about how we can add on to the game play then change it. CCP has said in their CSM meeting instead of redoing the SOV they will work on other things at this point.

worm holes
Needmore Longcat
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#196 - 2013-02-01 16:48:05 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Oi Brigade wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.




You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.


You are my hero. You just described the elite of the large alliances. Elite in eve, 30k a year person outside of eve.



Know what's hilarious?

These people (who are CLEARLY on unemployment or some other form of Government assistance) think it's funny that I'm a truck driver. They then call me "useless" because I'm not able to strap in for every single goddamned fleet that's posted on jabber, or the fact that I have less than 5 mill SP and no kills when I clearly told them I was in the process of training up SBs, EVEMON way not simply being able to sit in one. WTF is the point in me coming on a fleet with a bare minimum SB? What use would I be? Let alone the fact that about 60% of Test is inactive and/or alts. So my simply logging in a lone and training to be useful in the future is contributing.

I'm an owner operator. I own my own business and have 3 other trucks driving for me.

My gross last year was roughly $170,000.

Net was roughly $95,000. That's just my truck, not including my cut from the other drivers.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

If these people worked 40 hours per week, let alone the 80-90 I usually put in, they'd see how hard it is to be ultra-active when you're doing grown up things instead of eating hotpockets and playing EVE all damned day.



Oh god, for real? We're going to start comparing salaries?

I'm a rock star and last year I made over 100 million monies.
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#197 - 2013-02-01 16:57:56 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.


That mentality truly bothers me when applied to Eve. I wager that far more people would engage in PvP if it was more about fun and less about numbers, KBs, et al.




Sadly that's how many think...EVE is srsbidness. EVE is a JOB to these folks. Isn't that why you play EVE? to have fun??? So then what better reason to PVP???


Max Dookie cares sooo little about "pixels" hes spent the last two weeks constantly coming here to complain about them.

Show us how little you care Dookie-san. Prove to us you really don't care and walk away.

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Ziaeon
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2013-02-01 16:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ziaeon
Max Doobie wrote:


Know what's hilarious?

These people (who are CLEARLY on unemployment or some other form of Government assistance) think it's funny that I'm a truck driver. They then call me "useless" because I'm not able to strap in for every single goddamned fleet that's posted on jabber, or the fact that I have less than 5 mill SP and no kills when I clearly told them I was in the process of training up SBs, EVEMON way not simply being able to sit in one. WTF is the point in me coming on a fleet with a bare minimum SB? What use would I be? Let alone the fact that about 60% of Test is inactive and/or alts. So my simply logging in a lone and training to be useful in the future is contributing.

I'm an owner operator. I own my own business and have 3 other trucks driving for me.

My gross last year was roughly $170,000.

Net was roughly $95,000. That's just my truck, not including my cut from the other drivers.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

If these people worked 40 hours per week, let alone the 80-90 I usually put in, they'd see how hard it is to be ultra-active when you're doing grown up things instead of eating hotpockets and playing EVE all damned day.


You are terribly delusional, let me spell out why.

You cant seem to separate your life from the game, and spend a lot of your time projecting this onto others.

Lets make this divide clear. Real Life | Eve Life.

It's entirely irrelevant what you do in real life. Nor is Eve the sort of game that you benefit more from if you play it 24/7. There is no grind. Things take time.

You were the first one to ever mention your OWNER OPERATOR status, and thats great dude keep it up, but it has nothing to do with Eve Online.

Seeing that it has nothing to do with Eve online, this is why no one is upset about puerile half wit insults such as "Elite in eve, 30k a year person outside of eve."

More over, all of these allegations and insults are based on the illusion that TEST members take this seriously. Again, self projection. We play this game for fun. It's a game. Entertainment. It's completely irrelevant beyond the world it creates itself. Within the game, you're a scrub. Even if you're Brad Pitt irl.

This is a game we play for entertainment. This is a game and you are bad at it.

I think you need to analyze yourself good and hard if you are truly convinced that -we- are the ones who take this too seriously. Lighten up.
Kari Juptris
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#199 - 2013-02-01 17:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kari Juptris
Max "Owner Operator" Doobie strikes again. I think the public deserves more information about how his Owner Operator status became relevant in all of this. I'm not going to use quote tags because the forum complained about too many quotes. Note that this exchange was from our essentially public forum.



Max Doobie, on 28 January 2013 - 10:21, said:
...I'm typing this at a rest area...back to the road. To those who understand my perspective and aren't taking offense to some real talk, hats off to you. The only folks who would be insulted by this thread are the ones who do the **** I described.

Redacted Goon, on 28 January 2013 - 16:22, said:
"my internet reputation is under scrutiny, i must pull over and take measures to rectify this"
lol

Max Doobie, on 28 January 2013 - 19:06, said:
I'm an owner-operator, I stayed there for the night ********, now let us know how you generate income.
Licking Mittanis ******* doesn't count.

Redacted Goon, on 28 January 2013 - 19:17, said:
what a fancy way to say "truck driver"
nobody is going to belittle you for being a truck driver but when you say **** like "logistics transportation specialist" you sound like a "********"

Max Doobie, on 28 January 2013 - 19:22, said:
What the **** are you talking about *******???
"Owner Operator" is a truck driver that owns his own truck. Runs his own business. Has his own Authority transport freight. it's not a fancy word for anything.
See I have experience running REAL LIFE ****, not some faggoty Gaming Blog or a pixel group.
And WTF are you doing here anyway dude? Shouldn't you Goonies be out licking your wounds from that Face **** you guys took the other day?

Redacted Goon, on 28 January 2013 - 19:57, said:
"I'm a truck driver but I'm not one of those plebs driving company-owned trucks, I'm a contractor!"
jesus shut the **** up
Needmore Longcat
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#200 - 2013-02-01 17:18:23 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:


I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.



Max Doobie wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Tell us more about your kickboxing and your ferrari-driving and your supermodel girlfriend



See, look at how sad this is....


Someone says the have a job and decent income = "ZOMG, TELL US ABOUT UR FERRARI DRIVING AND GIRLFRIEND".

Like dude, that's doing it big to you? $95,000?

I'm only 25 that's crap cash dude.

...but then again, perhaps I have more ambition...and perhaps you actually put "Goonwaffe" on your resume, being that's probably your greatest achievement, so I can see how you think $95,000 warrants an "OHMYGAWD SON U LYIN!!! WHY U LYIN MAN!??" reaction...


Seriously, who the **** would lie about 95 grand?


I'm not saying this to brag.

OK.