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Economic DOOM imminent

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#21 - 2013-01-26 16:08:08 UTC
And so it begins.Shocked

Maybe.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

SeenButNotHeard
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-01-26 16:58:39 UTC
This is going to come across badly however I word it.

Still going to say it though.

Over the last 60 years the world has changed (at least in the Western world - if you believe in that)

We have gone from a family based society into one where we are all free! \o/

Hurrah! Free men and women have equal opportunities.

This is of course to be lauded. We should all be free to do whatever we fancy. Unless you are a 16 year old who is looking for a job. In which case you are screwed.

The social transverse that has come about because of feminism is both interesting and counter-intuitive. Am I blaming women for anything? No of course not. Is it any wonder that jobs have become scarce when "socially" we have introduced a 100% increase in the available labour market?

I am not even going to start on the fact that we all live 25 years longer than we did.... Shocked

Am not sure I worded this right - it felt ranty but I didn't mean it to be - it does have some interesting points though - even if you disagree with them.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#23 - 2013-01-26 20:36:57 UTC
An interesting point Seen, one does not simply near double the labour pool and not expect deflation. Combined with the dependency ration spiking due to a lower fertility ration... well we have an incoming problem as a higher % of the salary of a current worker goes towards paying for the pension and care of the retired generation. This is a factor in Japans lost Decades since their economy went into stagflation in 1989.

Also a factor in China, 2 generations ago the one child policy was introduced, so one worker today may have 2 parents and 4 grandparents to support in addition to themselves in 20 years. China will probably grow old before they hit critical mass. The Chinese could become powerful, but right now they are a paper tiger and they can't bootstrap their economy at the previous pace while their cashcow cheap labour is idling.

The West isn't buying their crap in the same volumes, the Japanese are becoming more patriotic by the day and the South Koreans are dominating with domestic electronics. Yes others will buy their crap, but will the income exceed the amortisation of the machinery to make it and maintain domestic balance through finding work for wave after wave of migrant labour. If I remember right China needs to grow north of 7% a year to tread water with its gdp/capita in the coastal regions.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#24 - 2013-01-26 21:37:58 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
The Chinese could become powerful, but right now they are a paper tiger and they can't bootstrap their economy at the previous pace while their cashcow cheap labour is idling.


Had a similar argument with someone awhile back on another forum, and they called China a paper tiger because it lacked force projection. Saw this just today. In a couple months they'll have dozens of those. When you've got the largest manufacturing base in the world you can make things happen fast, and payment of workers is optional. I wouldn't dismiss them so easily.

With the overly provocative North Korean nuke tests not long ago on top of that new Chinese troop transport, you have to wonder if there's even more to this.

Theory tiem:

Maybe they're going to destabilize the economy first, then swoop in with nukes and troops amid the chaos. China wants land badly, and if this is to be believed, they've got the US in their sights.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-01-27 13:08:44 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
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If Germany is serious about that 300 tons of gold, do you know what that means? It means that Germany making plans to leave EU. Now. How big of a disaster would that be? A Very BIG Disaster, for Western Europe. You peeps in EU better start stocking up on canned food and water purification tablets.



Not so very long ago a certain british treasurer sold 50% of the uk's gold reserve at half price or slightly less.
AFAIK Germany was the principle purchaser.



Of course said treasurer won't care as he has several millions now in an offshore account, millions in a paper currency.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#26 - 2013-01-27 13:48:00 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Bane Necran wrote:
It's now been confirmed that China is going to back the Yuan with gold.

Quote:
The second thing I want to make KWN readers aware of is the report which was commissioned by the World Gold Council. This is an incredible document, especially coming from the World Gold Council because it's basically saying that the Chinese are going to back their currency with gold. This would, in turn, displace the US dollar and make the Chinese yuan the world's reserve currency.


The Chinese are sitting on piles of dollars right now, and while the US continues its decline, the reality is that all of the fiat currencies are in a race to the bottom. We just saw the Bank of Japan yesterday talk about opening up QE and printing vast sums of money. This will be an attempt to reverse their deflation with inflation. This move by the Japanese is very, very bullish for gold.


For years now i've remained quiet as people claim the USD is about to collapse, but there's no way this can turn out well. Our only hope is that he's outright lying about the World Gold Council Document saying that, but if he's not it's time to panic.

Ah, so you mean China is finally going to stop artificially manipulating the Yuan against the Dollar? Excellent!
(Especially since the US has one of, if not the, largest gold stockpile in the world)

They do that, and watch the Yuan brick-up like a constipated granny on a cheddar cheese diet.
Would be fun to watch.
From a distance.
Twisted

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#27 - 2013-01-27 15:05:43 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
the US has one of, if not the, largest gold stockpile in the world

Largest if you consider a single country, if you consider the USA a single country as opposed to a collection of states, and if you don't consider the EU a country but a collection of countries (otherwise the USA stockpile would be the second largest, with the EU countries' combined stockpiles being number one).
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-01-27 16:05:59 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
The Chinese could become powerful, but right now they are a paper tiger and they can't bootstrap their economy at the previous pace while their cashcow cheap labour is idling.


Had a similar argument with someone awhile back on another forum, and they called China a paper tiger because it lacked force projection. Saw this just today. In a couple months they'll have dozens of those. When you've got the largest manufacturing base in the world you can make things happen fast, and payment of workers is optional. I wouldn't dismiss them so easily.

With the overly provocative North Korean nuke tests not long ago on top of that new Chinese troop transport, you have to wonder if there's even more to this.

Theory tiem:

Maybe they're going to destabilize the economy first, then swoop in with nukes and troops amid the chaos. China wants land badly, and if this is to be believed, they've got the US in their sights.

Russia is right across the Amur River... no need for fancy Navy, no need for fancy aircraft, just drive across and you got land, oil, gas, timber, coal, iron. Much easier! ☺

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#29 - 2013-01-27 16:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Caleidascope wrote:
Russia is right across the Amur River... no need for fancy Navy, no need for fancy aircraft, just drive across and you got land, oil, gas, timber, coal, iron. Much easier! ☺


Germany tried to invade Russia during WWII, and lost 75%- 80% of their total casualties in the war on that front.

Russia is also their strongest ally. The top 4 military forces in the world are China, Russia, the US, and North Korea. Guess who is allied, and who is the odd man out. Majority of US forces are currently spread all over the globe, too, unlike Russia.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-01-27 17:52:30 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Russia is right across the Amur River... no need for fancy Navy, no need for fancy aircraft, just drive across and you got land, oil, gas, timber, coal, iron. Much easier! ☺


Germany tried to invade Russia during WWII, and lost 75%- 80% of their total casualties in the war on that front.

Russia is also their strongest ally. The top 4 military forces in the world are China, Russia, the US, and North Korea. Guess who is allied, and who is the odd man out. Majority of US forces are currently spread all over the globe, too, unlike Russia.

Yeah, we are getting a bit off topic. Time will tell whom Chinese will invade.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Whang'Lo
Cosmically Irrelevant
#31 - 2013-01-29 12:59:08 UTC
Maybe the golds not there?

There has been people saying theres no gold in fort knox for years.

This doesn't seem to me to be another crazy conspiracy theory, they do have some solid reasoning behind
it. But basically this all goes way back when the US made it illegal to own gold and confiscated it all.

Which if you think about it, is kind of suspicious.

Personally I won't believe theres gold there until a totally independent audit confirms it's existence.

[u]A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs[/u]

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-01-29 14:26:01 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
soo.... this means that all the economic doom and gloom hypothesized here is just that?


It wasn't all that long ago that the £ was the worlds currency. The only thing at stake here is pride.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#33 - 2013-01-29 14:38:09 UTC
Akita T wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
the US has one of, if not the, largest gold stockpile in the world

Largest if you consider a single country, if you consider the USA a single country as opposed to a collection of states, and if you don't consider the EU a country but a collection of countries (otherwise the USA stockpile would be the second largest, with the EU countries' combined stockpiles being number one).

Which is why I hedged the statement. ;)

Either way, if China goes to a gold standard, the Western world will pwn their currency.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#34 - 2013-01-29 14:42:18 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
Maybe the golds not there?

There has been people saying theres no gold in fort knox for years.

This doesn't seem to me to be another crazy conspiracy theory, they do have some solid reasoning behind
it. But basically this all goes way back when the US made it illegal to own gold and confiscated it all.

Which if you think about it, is kind of suspicious.

Personally I won't believe theres gold there until a totally independent audit confirms it's existence.


Yes, it is a whacko conspiracy theory - Pretty much by definition: Extraordinary claim, zero evidence.
Hell, the article specifically points out that it's a conspiracy theory.

Their argument is therefore Invalid.

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SinTeryx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-01-29 14:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: SinTeryx
Who cares about gold. North Korea is ready to test its 3rd nuclear weapon.

Give this a listen.

Edit: "I feel like riddling the bodies of the American and South Korean puppets with machine gun fire and making Washington and Seoul a sea of flames," says soldier Kim Chol-ung.

These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#36 - 2013-01-30 16:13:34 UTC
SinTeryx wrote:
Who cares about gold. North Korea is ready to test its 3rd nuclear weapon.

Well, considering how great their rockets fly, that and a metric truckload of luck just might make them able to score a handful of hits (or probably at best a single hit) before they're glassed flat by the retaliation strikes from all those other countries who have nukes since decades ago and don't like them very much.
Fenrisian Wolf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-01-31 15:46:22 UTC
North Korea's ballistic skill barely reaches a 2.
Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-01-31 16:11:40 UTC
Akita T wrote:
SinTeryx wrote:
Who cares about gold. North Korea is ready to test its 3rd nuclear weapon.

Well, considering how great their rockets fly, that and a metric truckload of luck just might make them able to score a handful of hits (or probably at best a single hit) before they're glassed flat by the retaliation strikes from all those other countries who have nukes since decades ago and don't like them very much.

In this scenario, South Korea becomes an island.

EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate.

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#39 - 2013-01-31 16:35:34 UTC
Diversify. Spread your assets, then everything will be fine. Plex may be one of many options :-) After all, people will not stop playing internet games.
There will be no major economic doom. Tinfoil-doomsday-sects like such scenarios because you can make good business with scared people. Maybe the leading currency will change, thats all. So yes, local changes are possible but life and Eve will go on :)

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Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-02-01 21:34:37 UTC
king world news, i trust that source
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