EVE New Citizens Q&A

Okay so i made some items and put them for sale on the market ,I then entered in to the drop ISK game and it been this way for days now and sold nothing . Value of the item is 3mil isk each and each time i modify the order to be competitive i just get charged between a hundred to two hundred thousand isk. And a moment later some one else does the same thing and on and on .

So say you go out go to work come home relax and decide to play some EVE , you look at your orders and discover your orders and market items were undercut within 1 hour of you changing your order. So the person that has more time to play eve is the one who going to sell his stuff and the person who has to leave the game for 10 hours is going to sell nothing .

My point is the game does little if nothing to discourage this and brokers fees are ridiculously low to modify a order.I understand location has allot to do with it as well and haveing spread my items out in the game.Just seems like its a waste of time trying to do anything on the market if you have to leave the game and got to work etc and cant access eve.Maybe they should have put that in the tutorial would have saved me lots of isk and time.

Like most things in EVE it punishes casual players ,they should at least increase the fee to modify a order are make a larger time delay to modify a order. Because as far as i can see the only people who win here are the people that have access to EVE while at work are unemployed are they make a living from the plex of us casual players.

And don't sell everything in popular places.
Look where PvP is actually going on and Agent running and it'll open markets. Most people will buy in their system rather than at a trade hub if the prices aren't hugely inflated.

The biggest problem with the .01 isking is the fact the broker's fee for the change usually a meagre 100 ISK, because its based on the change and not the sell price. If it was based on the sell price, I'd suspect there wouldn't be that much .01-isking every 5 minutes.

Welcome to market side of EvE. It can eb just as cut throat as blowing ships up in pvp... But then again, you all ready noticed this.

There afre things and locations worth selling. Take a look at market history. if average movement is 20 items, theres no point putting 1000 on sale.

This is where your alts come in, spread over several regions/tradehubs and put little of your stuff on sale for all of them... You will soon see where you get undercut fastest, where it takes a while...

I have alt that is succesfull manufacturer, he buys materials, builds stuff and sells them in nearby tradehub. Ok, he makes itemst that are either big ticket(high price) or large (as in large volume). Both of these limits competition a little... Works out nice, can plex himself every month even if im not running 10 lines/24hours...

Broker fees are not there to discourage competition, they are there as small isk sink.

No offense OP.

But what I read is:

"I dont like how market mechanics work and how dedicated traders undercut me."

So I ask you:

Why on earth (or Jita) are you doing market PvP. If you dont like it, dont do it. You can always sell to best buy or hope your items sell eventually.

As for couriers...

Be aware of scams and low paying stuff and remember you are competing with both Push and Red Frog.

It might be worth considering how much profit, if any, you'd actually make if you were the cheapest price. By the time you include raw mineral cost, tax, broker fee, cost of factory, factor in BP cost (and any research if it's not a BPC), I suspect you might be making a loss if the character isn't that old.

A lot of the larger scaled production is done by very specialised (and high SP) characters so the cost of production will be lower than yours. On top of that, if you are manufacturing anything that drops as loot for mission runners, you will always be price cut as most mission runs will fire sale everything where the aim is just shifting the stuff rather than play the market.

I'd perhaps look into margin trading if it's markets you want to be in.

No offence taken )


My frustration is with the game mechanic i fully understand that the item you produce and the location you sell it are of importance. But none of that matters if your not at your keyboard modifying your order every 5 minutes ,I don't see how people cant see that .The game basically boils down to how often you can check you market orders and how often you can alter the order , nothing else no skill just who plays the game the most


For a game that requires some knowledge and intellect to play it Just undermines the whole idea of the market in my view As i said if you have a job outside of EVE and no access to EVE its very hard to sell stuff as some one undercuts that straight away , As others have said people do this all day for fun so your casual player is going to struggle to sell any thing.Should be a time delay and a restriction on the number of market order modifications a player can make each day.


And i dont want to be a trader i just wanted to build some stuff and sell it so i can afford a ship to PVP in, then i discover you need to be altering your order every other minute in order just to sell it

Thanks for the feedback , Its a shame because i like the markets and industry i just don't have the time are desire to play the modify order metagaming.Will just look to use manufacturing to try and produce my own ships and ammo for PVP in the future

If you're in a hub that popular, chances are the highest buy order is within 10 or 20% of the lowest sell order anyhow, just sell to that unless you just really, really love playing the market game.

As other people frequently point out about mining, getting that extra 10 to 20% is only "free" profit if all the time you waste securing it has no value.

according to the ship preview window the rifter is 139m. they made all the frigs bigger a while ago.

and I'm in a few slower items right now, I'm barely touching my orders and staying pretty competitive.