EVE General Discussion

Eve's a game about choices, you choose what skills to train, choose what space to fly in etc etc etc and ECM highlights this.

If you're repeatedly fighting the same group of people that they roll deep with the ECM then not fitting ECCM just makes you dumb. Also not fielding your own ECM and snipey ships makes you dumb.

If you're not fighting the same people all the time then it's your choice whether you fit for ECM or not.

Every fleet there's ever been that's been "over powered" has had a counter along the road.


Personally I think there needs to be something that stops ecm in solo ships, maybe just make ECM drones only usable by ECM boats or make them have a tiny chance to break a lock and just be lock breakers than actual jammers but ultimately I think we're just in yet another "rock's over powered, buff scissors" conversation.

hmm, i wonder if ECM might need a charge, same as cap boosters. That way you are limited to how much you can use it, and each charge size is a different strength ecm charge. you can carry loads of "50" size charges which are not as strong, or a few 800 size which are garanteed jams, but have to be used sparingly.

Thats how I think ECM drones should work tbh.

The modules on the specific ships should be a "jammed untill cycle ends" then there's the %chance to jam again.

Great video, I've bookmarked it and will try out their other vids as soon as I have time. +1 for the link alone.

Except that, you know... people don't drop bubbles on you if they expect to lose.

This is the biggest problem with ECM. As long as people can lock, they're happy to go down in a ball of fire. Disregarding the fact that they had no chance of actually winning while being webbed, target painted and tracking disrupted while having the scan res of a Titan.

Last time.
ECM is balanced. You can counter it easily.
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Agreed.

Every E-warefare module out there has the potential to completetly change the results of a battle. Tracking Disruptors can render its target useless, Painters can make an otherwise impossible tank a soft target, webbers can prevent an otherwise fast target from getting away, smartbombs can render drones useless.. you name the module and I will show you a way to gain victory from it as well as counter it.

There is absolutly nothing wrong with ECM. In fact, I would say of the many ways E-warefare contributes to fights, ECM is often the most difficult and vulnerable of modules. Often fleets are designed to rely heavily on ECM's (I know a few of the fleets my crew forms are so).. a a couple of missed cycles can have catastrophic results.

ECM is often totted as an I win button, but this usually comes from frustrations of a recent loss. Besides, its not a module controlled by a single group of players, anyone can train it, anyone can put an ECM boat in their fleet and as such, its balance is that everyone has access to it.

More to the point, ECM is really not used all that often. I have been playing this game for 6-7 years and I can count on one hand the amount of times ECM's have been used successfully against me in a fight. Im suprised that people discuss the balance of this particular tactic when things like duel Basliks for example are far more commonly used tactics that make fights that shut down far more people in my experiance.

ECM I think is fine as it is, I mean its very effective and I certainly take advantage of it, but its hardly the I win button its made out to be, I have seen it fail plenty.

It is comparitively short ranged.
ECM already has 2.5 counters.

The New [sensor-skill] Compensations.
Mid/Lowslot ECCM Modules.
SD outranges ECM.

explain how you would also replace warp scramblers/disrupters please.
as they work in exactly same way as ecm, if ecm needs to go solely from the way it works, then by your reasoning so do 'point mods' ..........

The counter play to ECM is in the tears you cry. They make bad guys weep and go soft.