EVE General Discussion

(please refrain from "i remember when this goddam game was alive kid". Actually do if you want)


I heard that missions were introduced in an update and were not part of the original EVE game. Before this you had to belt rat or mine (in a goddam carpal tunnel battleship) or do other things i have not thought of if you wanted to make isk in highsec.

It was a time when Battleships could cost 180 million isk and buying a Battleship BPO required a consortium of people to do it instead of today where everyone and their mother has one.

I heard a story about a 300 million isk scam that nearly wiped out a dozen people when today an elite missioner could make that in a day


Is all of this true?

Next questions

1. In your opinion did level 4 missions remove the need for people do leave highsec to make isk

2. Due to the easy nature of level 4 missions are they just a more complicated form of mining (think about it people, eh eh)

3. CCP was there a rise in the playerbase when level 4 missions were introduced.


I was going to list the isk per hour ratio of elite pvper vs everthing else in the game but then there would be much *snip* Please do not use inappropriate language on these forums. Spitfire in the angry replies in this thread


Next section (needs vets opinions on this one)

Do you think that SOV and level 4s have combined to keep a lot of people in highsec.

Ie If there was no real earnings to be made in highsec and i heard of the mythical nullsec where you could find BS with over a million bounties on them then i would be planning to get out there for a long extended trip to up my wallet. But now that most of Nullsec is claimed and nothing is unknown its not worth going.


Also and this is huge, massive i mean really really big. Nullsec is unknown. there should be no data coming out of there that players are not providing for themselves. If i wanted to go to a region and carebear for a while then people should have to come in and find me doing it. not look ingame at the stats page and work it out from there or look at dotlan. This part of the game makes absolutely no sense, none.

If i went to Alpha Centuri to play god the only time Earthlings should know about it is four years later when the star went Nova or when i return to Earth with my army of robot monkeys. NASA should not be able to look on dotlan to see exactly what i am doing. The only way they should know is when they send a ragtag group of 80s action heroes up there to find out what i am doing.


Your thoughts please and a big hello to all the trolls.

yes, missions were introduced later. I remember when the biggest rat was the Juggernaut ( for sansha) in deep southern stain and isk bounty was 50,000. It was the highest bounty ship minus officer/faction spawns. And they used to be a pain in da arse to kill. I also remember mining in thoraxs and vexors. I also remember to get into stain you had to pass through a heavily gate camped DSS and you better have a pass.

I wasn't actually around, so I can only base this off of what I have heard.

1) Battleship BPOs DID require a consortium of people to purchase, instead of being purchased by individual players. I remember soon after I joined the game even that there was a scam where someone swindled investors by claiming that they would be purchasing build rights to a Battleship BPO.

2) Remember: Level 4 missions were not always easy. Virtually every level 4 mission had multiple warp scrambling rats in them, and IIRC, the rats did roughly twice as much damage (But had twice the bounties). Level 3 missions were ALSO way harder. The progression was essentially:
Level 1: Frigates
Level 2: Cruisers
Level 3: Battleships
Level 4: Multiple Battleships (or a VERY experienced battleship pilot).

The advice that was given to new players was that they should wait around SIX MONTHS before getting into a Battleship to run level 4 missions.

3) Missions did not remove the need to go to low sec. Low sec was the only place to reliably acquire mid-level minerals, such as Nocxium and Isogen. IMO, it was the drone regions and player built outposts which "killed" low sec.

Happier times when there was only Frigates, Cruisers and Battleships in the game and no one was afraid of being cyno ganked! The game might as well be called Dock In Space since capitals came into play.

Was great time before captials. But i know a lot of ppl would rather just have carriers and dreads than super caps.

I rememeber when T2 mods were stupendously expensive.

I remember running and hiding when a Deimos came into system.

I remember when a Brutix cost 60m, was the most effective BC and aboslutley WTFpwnd

I rememebr when there wasnt an empty lowsec system, because ratting there was worthwhile.

I remember getting paid to scout haulers down the curse pipe to paragon soul, and never losing a ship, because i had spent a month making my own warp to 0 bookmarks, and catching people at gates that didn't have them.

Yes, there were no agents or missions at launch.

I mined to get my ships, rats were also a source of ISK but the bigger ones could be nearly impossible to kill.
Mining in 0.0 was possible for everyone. Space wasn't as easy to claim and enforcing said claim even harder. Ninjamining was a very fun and lucrative business.

Trading was also really profitable, still is.

I remember mining to buy my first BS and then mining in my BS while training skills to use it effectively.

Excepting missions this is what most noobs do when they start today.

What has been added on since has been to improve the PvP aspect of the game and to keep raising the ceiling so that there is always something left that you haven't tried out, that is to make sure that there isn't an endgame in EVE.


Highsec and the trade/manufacture/research that goes on there isn't simply carebearing, it's in fact necessary for the economy of EVE. There would be far lesser activity if you'd simply make all of EVE nullsec. People would leave after having been forced into losing all their **** for the millionth time and having no safety to cool off in and rebuild.

What the problem is that you can't force nullsec on highsec dwellers without losing subs and you really can't change nullsec all that much to make it enticing enough to carebears without compromising the total lawlessness that most player love about it.

The solution is obviously some sort of a middle ground. Lowsec is pretty much useless today. It serves no real purpose or brings EVE any real benefit other than destroying stuff in the name of economic stability.
Reworking that into something different might be a solution, how I don't know, but it's the one area that I see some measurable degree of improvement possible.

These answers really make it seem like CCP overplayered their hand and removed the frontier feel about this game.


(Only Opinion)

Personally if you wanted to remove level 4 missions then you have to revamp nullsec and get rid of the whole amount of free data you can recieve to allow people to go there any not be spotted by dotlan/eve mechanics

Well, there we go again with Level 4 nerf threads. In fact, this was a bit forgotten for quite some time now.

If i remember correctly, some time ago (before incarage) CCP said they intended to remove lvl 4 from High Sec, might be wrong..

I miss selling bookmark sets on escrow for insane amounts of isk... Made far more than mission running. ;)