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A Confusing Difference in Damage, please help... A tale of two Machariels
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Xaexia Attor
The Disposable Assassins
#1 - 2013-01-31 00:13:20 UTC
Ok so one of my real life best friends and I have been playing for a couple years now. We have at times gone different paths and pursued different goals. The one thing that has remained constant is we have both flown Machariels about the whole time.

I have more SPs invested in turret control (I have elite certs for it), and he does not, additionally I have +5 Large Turret Damage and +5 Turret All type hardwires, he has +3s. Otherwise our ships are the exact same. AC Specialization is the same, MM Battleship is the same, guns are the same, same ammo, even the damage mods on our ship are the exact same modules. How is he doing more dps then me? Like I said he is a RL friend and he is not lying when he tells me what his numbers are. Neither of us have a clue as to why he is ahead of me in damage output. Thoughts? (P.s. I have a slight edge on him in drones as well) But we are looking at turret damage...
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-31 00:15:08 UTC
maybe he knows how to fly his ship
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-01-31 00:17:36 UTC
Its simple. Your friend is cheating. You should probably unfriend him on facebook while your at it, because he might be better at that than you too.


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Spurty
#4 - 2013-01-31 00:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Spurty
Randomness of the roll.

Dice are involved with guns. Missiles are flat rate.

For example: "spurty launches x5 ogre 2s from his rattlesnake. How much damage does each drone do to a super captial?"

A: 200 damage,
B: 400 damage,
C: 600 damage,
D: 800 damage,
E: 1,000 damage,
F: 1,200 damage
G: 1334 damage
Or H: all of the above

Hint answer is (H)

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stoicfaux
#5 - 2013-01-31 00:30:36 UTC
Friend manages tracking better? Friend is closer in range (~11km closer improves DPS by 10% with 800ACs.) Friend remembers to turn on his tracking modules? Friend lets you shoot first against the higher resist shields, and he then shoots the armor which has lower resists? The RNG really loves him and/or hates you? You friend is quoting damage numbers in base 8? You friend is just throwing out random numbers while he's busy making out with your girlfriend?

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-31 00:40:26 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
You friend is just throwing out random numbers while he's busy making out with your girlfriend?


Heh.

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Xaexia Attor
The Disposable Assassins
#7 - 2013-01-31 00:44:16 UTC
Thanks for the replys guys, no im talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#8 - 2013-01-31 00:49:03 UTC
Xaexia Attor wrote:
Thanks for the replys guys, no im talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running

Use faction ammo

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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#9 - 2013-01-31 00:59:27 UTC
Xaexia Attor wrote:
Thanks for the replys guys, no im talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running
Implants?
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-01-31 05:16:59 UTC
Do you guys have the same drones? If he fit 4 heavies and you fit several waves of lights that would make about ~150 dps difference.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#11 - 2013-01-31 05:33:14 UTC
Xaexia Attor wrote:
....

Damn you´re ugly Shocked

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#12 - 2013-01-31 05:44:17 UTC
Xaexia Attor wrote:
Thanks for the replys guys, no im talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running


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Radamant Nemess
Federal Navy Academy
#13 - 2013-01-31 13:04:07 UTC
Maybe your friend overloads his guns?

i can fail at any speed you like
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#14 - 2013-01-31 13:08:08 UTC
Hail and Barrage are much much different.. Just fyi :P
Alahril
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-31 13:45:13 UTC
So why aren't you fitting t2 guns if you got all to 5? I think he is leing and he got some 5s.
WarlockX
Free Trade Corp
#16 - 2013-01-31 19:08:59 UTC
there are a million reasons it could be more , implants, drones, ammo...
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#17 - 2013-01-31 19:19:50 UTC
Xaexia Attor wrote:
I'm talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running

I am guessing you are making some mistake somewhere on something which might look trivial but isn't.

Re-check that you have the same ammo selected, that all implants are actually the ones that fit to the weapons, that the guns are really the same, that you're both using the same drones, and so on.

Better still, post screenshots of both pilots' full fits, implant list and listed DPS values.

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Whitehound
#18 - 2013-01-31 19:31:43 UTC
You can use tools like EFT and PYFA to test fittings and explore them and experiment on them. These tools let you query your characters' skill sets and implants and will tell you exactly how much DPS they do and which skill / module / bonus are being applied.

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Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-01-31 19:39:20 UTC
Perhaps his gun is longer then yours and he gets better penetration?
Leetha Layne
#20 - 2013-01-31 19:45:18 UTC
Are Gallente BS the same?
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