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how to spend my FW LP to get most isk?
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Roi Hurutara
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-30 23:55:11 UTC
I am new to FW and i have got my ships blown up to a point when i cannot afford anymore. now i only have 2m isk and 13000ish LP (minmatar). what should i do with those LP to get max isk income? thanks.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-31 00:25:41 UTC
Excel is your friend.
Roi Hurutara
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-01-31 00:56:41 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Excel is your friend.


well.. i'm not planning to invest that much time into a LP store/market research. just looking for some general experience on the good choices.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-01-31 01:43:20 UTC
Roi Hurutara wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Excel is your friend.


well.. i'm not planning to invest that much time into a LP store/market research. just looking for some general experience on the good choices.


They change almost daily... excel is your friend

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Roi Hurutara
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-01-31 02:14:15 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Roi Hurutara wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Excel is your friend.


well.. i'm not planning to invest that much time into a LP store/market research. just looking for some general experience on the good choices.


They change almost daily... excel is your friend


since all of you say that, I guess I'll have a lot of homework to do..
Merouk Baas
#6 - 2013-01-31 03:21:23 UTC
Also people don't want you to compete with their money source.

You can get plenty of generic advice, but specifics such as what to trade or what to spend LP's on, people keep that a secret.

The market is there in front of you, the LP store is there in front of you, all LP offers are clearly spelled out, and they even included a calculator in the in-game interface.

Generic advice: once you find the perfect item that gives you a million ISK per each LP point, check the market history data to make sure that a high volume of it sells daily, because if it's only 1 item sold per month, you're going to sit on your stack of stuff for a while.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#7 - 2013-01-31 04:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Someone made the lp store data available. I've combined it with the pricing data I have. This is /fairly/ accurate. Though pricing data on the 'obscure' items will lag significantly.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

(I don't compete in this market.)

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Roi Hurutara
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-01-31 04:49:29 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Also people don't want you to compete with their money source.

You can get plenty of generic advice, but specifics such as what to trade or what to spend LP's on, people keep that a secret.

The market is there in front of you, the LP store is there in front of you, all LP offers are clearly spelled out, and they even included a calculator in the in-game interface.

Generic advice: once you find the perfect item that gives you a million ISK per each LP point, check the market history data to make sure that a high volume of it sells daily, because if it's only 1 item sold per month, you're going to sit on your stack of stuff for a while.


1 million isk per EACH LP point?! you are kidding right? I can't find anything even close to 1000 isk per LP...
Roi Hurutara
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-01-31 04:55:36 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Someone made the lp store data available. I've combined it with the pricing data I have. This is /fairly/ accurate. Though pricing data on the 'obscure' items will lag significantly.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

(I don't compete in this market.)


You are my hero! Is this real-time data or static data at some point of time?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#10 - 2013-01-31 05:00:14 UTC
Roi Hurutara wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Someone made the lp store data available. I've combined it with the pricing data I have. This is /fairly/ accurate. Though pricing data on the 'obscure' items will lag significantly.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

(I don't compete in this market.)


You are my hero! Is this real-time data or static data at some point of time?



It's based of the data being reported from EMDR. So it's not quite real time. When someone with an uploader (like the one built into Evemon) looks at the item, the data gets dumped onto EMDR, and filters through to my recorder. If it's obscure, it can be quite out of date.

Also, I've stuck in caching, so it'll only generate once every 2 hours. Though I'm now thinking that was overkill (once I stuck in an appropriate index)

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#11 - 2013-01-31 05:11:37 UTC
Ick. knew I'd missed something. Forgot to multiply out the costs of the required items. Sorted now.

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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-01-31 12:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Someone made the lp store data available. I've combined it with the pricing data I have. This is /fairly/ accurate. Though pricing data on the 'obscure' items will lag significantly.

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

This is a superb tool. But please take the data presented with some caution, it is only as good as the data it is based on and that can be manipulated or in error.

For example, if you examine the data for the Trible Liberation Force that the OP is interested in, the 3 best paying items appear to be as follows:

Zainou 'Snapshot' Defender Missiles DM-801 @ 265666 Isk/LP
Customs Office Gantry @ 18333 Isk/LP
Zainou 'Gypsy' Weapon Disruption WD-903 @ 17298 Isk/LP

However on closer examination of the market data, the trading volumn for the two implants are so rare that they have without doubt been the subject of a market manipulation and you will find you just can't sell them for anything like that price. In fact you will struggle to sell them at all. The Defender Missile implant in particular isn't worth 10 Isk, nobody in their right mind would pay 100M for it.

The data for the Customs Office Gantry is also incorrect. This is the result of an error in several reporting tools for LP store items, which has propagated through to this tool. You can't actually buy this item from the LP store, the correct item is the BPC for it and this is worth considerably less than the built product. It sells for around 12.5M and you have to pay 10M Isk in addition to the LP, thus the real return is 833 Isk/LP

Nonetheless a superb effort, but you have to know a bit more about the market to make the most of it.
Merouk Baas
#13 - 2013-01-31 13:42:29 UTC
That tool is awesome, thank you for sharing it with everyone.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#14 - 2013-01-31 14:19:59 UTC
I've corrected the Gantry issue, and a small issue with some stores and charters. If you notice anything else that's a problem in the data (wrong isk cost in the store, wrong lp cost, wrong extra materials) drop me a mail and I'll see about updating it.

Taking care of things like the market manipulation, that's quite a bit harder.

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