EVE General Discussion

Funny thing, I remember long ago a fresh noob when trit was under 1 isk, then trit prices rose a bit, then halkageddion came and prices climb and climb I left when a Drake was 25 mil came back and now a Drake is 55 mil and prices for Veldspar were 11 isk then a null alliance puts permanent hulkageddion and prices for Veldspar rose again, how did a hi sec miner cause that. Understand you guys do it to yourself. (Make things harder).

Because it's a ******* game and people want to be rewarded for doign the HARDER ****?

Why do you have to be that crappy gamer that wants everything easy AND rewarding.
I bet your little league didn't keep game scores either.

Gee, I didn't know there was a game mechanic that prohibited POS's with assembly arrays in null sec.
News flash for you: Any competent industrialist builds out of a POS, since he wants to keep his char's mfg capabilities maxed, and not rely on the vagaries of station mfg slot availability.

But you knew that already.

This whole campaign is about disinformation, just like any other null sec propaganda campaign.

You want to increase station mfg slots in null, I have no issue with that.
It won't change the fact that null sec players make more money/hour ratting than they can doing industrial work, therefore STILL won't do null sec industry.

I DID do null sec industry, on a corporate level, and we made tons for the corp, but no way was it as much as the income from ratting taxes.

Basically, you want CCP to alter the sandbox to do what you can't: Force your members to do null sec industry by destroying high sec industry and making null sec industry profits as easy as collecting moon goo, or belt ratting, or anom ratting.

I started just as those changes happened and plex beat 500 mil.
And yet to me all that it shows is people just keep making more ISK.
That is ISK is seriously inflating in value and thus needs to be deflated.
Probably by a mandatory Concord tax or something.

Point being the prices are a result of no sinks rather than something system.

I did the math. Reactions are skewed on my end because our alliance has a moon goo cartel, and we sort of subsidize reactions. But that only makes good sense as another 'export building material' scheme.

To build T2 from scratch isn't really worth it with a POS once I factor in opportunity cost. It's a lot of flying around, and I still need a character in highsec to find and gather all the materials I can't get locally in nullsec. That means a lot more time at the keyboard. I can spend less keyboard time and deal in higher volume if I moved my industry and hauling guys to empire like most of my allies have done.

So I just stick to T1, and only a few items.

My bad, I didnt explain myself well.

What I meant is: is not relevant. The fact someone is more organized as group do not mke his gameplay more evaluable or deserving any special attention, when it come to decide how to improve a game plain numbers are more important, and what you ask (right or wrong) regards a minority. The first step is to become aware of this and instead of pushing things as minority lobbies interest try I think is smarter to work to see these needs in a more general and trasversal overhaul.

The attitude, anyone can read in many forum threads as well as on many blogs and so on like "have to be so cause we are more cool" or "we have to dictate this or we're going to harrass CCP playerbase and burn jita) is pretty childish and, in my humble opinions, not going anywhere except promoting the ida in the community that "they're only a minority of ******* wanting to dictate everyone gameplay".

Idea that I know to be largely false; however if it become a common perception one should think about this. If you think that keep giving this idea is good, please keep doing it and good luck.

Sad part is. F'n goonz dont matter here. I did the hisec indie then lowsec indie and am currently working Wspace and im participating in a conversation about nullsec indie because i have read up on it for months. Funny thing is I admit i have no firsthand experience in nullsec indie but for some reason people are agreeing with me on what i say here.... I wonder why



Maybe because i have blues in nullsec indie groups perhaps?

Oh they actually stopped paying out?

For perspective, Dinsdale has claimed that CCP updating the NPC AI engine was a nullsec conspiracy because it affected his l4 mission ratting by way of having to recall/re-release his drones.

Hulkageddon has been over since the barge buff. People still gank miners, but if you follow the trail of tears in GD the big issue now is bumping because actually blowing up miners doesn't really pay.

The ore holds they added killed off can flipping too, and the recent Crimewatch changes was the nail in the coffin for that tactic.