EVE General Discussion

So, what you seem to be saying is that you DO consider it your responsibility to make this game a miserable experience for as many other players as you can interact with?

I think I'm going to kick myself out of my corporation and stay in an NPC until I finally get sick enough of people like you to make me actually quit.

Nope, i don't usually do bad stuff to other people, i mostly PVE. BUT unlike you, I understand that I am a PVE player in a PVP-centered game, so i don't complain when people try to grief me, trick me, or whatever. I fight back or run....usually run....

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To each his own, but i will tell you as I've told others: I am just the messenger of Truth. I am, not your problem , you and your inability to take responsibility for your choices (in this case, your choice to play a game made by Icelandic psychos for psychos everywhere) is your problem.

I ask again, have you ever analyzed your decision to play EVE Online?

We get it.

You're very clever and original. The first EVE-O poster to ever create an "NPC" alt to troll the forums with.
Don't you have an electrical socket you could be licking right now? Or have you not figured out how to get the plastic safety plugs out yet?

This is why I don't think nerfs and buffs are going to work for this issue. I think it needs to be solved through gameplay tools.

So after reading through a lot of this (I didn't read through it all, I admit it...) it seems to be a lot of people who are a lot farther in the game than I am pointing fingers at issues that really have nothing to do with me, or where I am at in the game. I consider myself a newbie, learning and having fun with the game, but most of the comments don't address anything having to do with anything remotely concerning me at this point.

Where is the incentive to join a non-NPC group? I hear about the griefers, the scammers and such, so why would I want to? In a NPC group, I can solo to my hearts content until I am ready to group something. The game itself is a sandbox, and I have not seen any reason yet to hurry out of my NPC controlled corp. the game does not steer me in a non NPC direction, what I pay does not really matter as it is a game and I am getting along fine right now (as far as I know... What am I going to compare it against? Rais the tax and I will honestly care why?)

The business about using them to hide from war decs is so far above where I am at... I don't worry about war decs, I look out for griefers. Using Alts and such to hide... It seems to me those are more of a problem than the NPC corps.

Whatever the case, most of the arguments I have seen either way are ones that pertain to people I would consider veterans of the game, and really have not addressed newbies/ reasons to transcend being a newbie.

My 2 cents.

sort of a sov-lite or fw thing? Yes that could be more satisfying and encourage more players to be involved or at least the corps will stop whining about us stealing their asteroids if they take their refine cut and the mission taxes.

And still leave highsec a pleasant little haven for us spacebums.

Many times. Believe me. No. It isn't a game for me. Believe it or not, I'm pretty sure one of my characters was the one that made that statement about a'full immersion space exploration simulation.'

Doesn't matter. They haven't forced me out yet, which doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

No wai! not a 10 man corp.


Edit: You have a lot of alts guy.

Heaty debate ;P

First off all, the people in NPC like me, pay to play this game, and should have full access to its content, we are not trials...

Then we can debate what PvP is, for me that isent just using ships vs ships, in Eve it should also involve layers where i as a person could punish other people with economic sanctions, for example i as a industrialist that focus on economics and have rather poor combat ships and combat skills, so lets asume You attack my exhummer, so i decide to place 50mil... i think thats the cost of a war deck... and you would get 100% increase in cost, everything you did would get twice as costly, everything you try to sell, would yield you half the money ? ... fair ?... well in a modern sociaty economics is what fuels the war machine, and it should be a tool industrialist could fight back with...

High sec is called high security for a reason, and the wardec cost is a JOKE, that undoes the entire point with having it highsec, problem is that with how it is now, i agree with Nat, that it creates a unfair advantage to those inside a NPC corp vs those in a player corp, that can be wardecced... so keep NPCs tax to concord, and give all player corps the option to pay a equal tax to concord at the start of eaxh month... that make it fair for all... no unfair and same for all !

Then as for nerfing NPC corps, personally i again stress i pay to play this game, and should have access to ALL its content, but IF there be need to promote the player corps, i would limit it to small scale, sort of a base production, base research, etc... you could push this alittle bit more with standings... and a mini POS... but to access the big number of production and research slots, you would need a POS accesable from a player corp...

And a slight reminder, i am in CAS, it have 500-1500 people active depending on day, that is ONE off twelve start corps, not to mention the twelve holding corps that exist... you crunsh the numbers of players, and you soon see that we are significant % of Eve, and most important of all, its what brings Eve its new blood, be very carefull what changes you cry for... in any case be great !

And to be quite honest.... I don't have an issue with you, or players at your level being in NPC Corps. They serve that purpose just fine. Your not the kind of player that is exploiting the Safety of NPC Corps to multi-box fleets of exhumers, run mission & mining Bots, run high levels of T2 production or monopolize the NPC Manufacturing lines (I'll bet you at one point would like to have a line or two available for you to use).

Since you can't "legislate morality" or force players to change on their own, I am left with campaigning for changes in the game mechanics. I would like to either see restrictions in ship types and available skill usage, or be given some other ways to "encourage" these people to do something else that doesn't involve CONCORD. I'm not looking to Grief players but I would appreciate a more level playing field.